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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#144076: Jul 13th 2022 at 11:22:06 AM

Part of me suspects the reason Marvel pushed for Isaac in the first place was so they could try to nominate him for the Best Actor slot and get that awards clout, only for Scenes from a Marriage to beat them to the punch grin

Then again he strikes me as the Doing It for the Art kind, where even if he doesn't get an award for it he still had a good time giving an awards-worthy performance for its own sake.

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144077: Jul 13th 2022 at 11:31:41 AM

You know when Moon Knight was airing I was thinking if Oscar Isaacs could get nominated seperately for both Marc and Steven. Shame it didnt end up happening.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 13th 2022 at 9:16:31 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144079: Jul 13th 2022 at 1:07:44 PM

Sorry, W’Kabi as BP truthers: Daniel Kaluuya isn’t in the sequel, citing scheduling conflicts with Nope.

Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#144080: Jul 13th 2022 at 2:07:16 PM

I think the next black Panther will be either M'Baku or Shuri.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144081: Jul 13th 2022 at 2:13:43 PM

Man I'm curious whats gonna happen to the BP franchise down the line.

If the movie does badly somehow wonder what they might mean for any continuations or not.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#144082: Jul 13th 2022 at 2:19:56 PM

I want M'Baku since Shuri's actor is kind of a creep.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144083: Jul 13th 2022 at 2:42:29 PM

Less so a creep, and moreso willfully ignorant and unpleasant.

If T'Challa's death does stick, it might really affect interest in the Black Panther franchise going forward. There ain't no Continuity Reboot happening.

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Goku Black
#144084: Jul 13th 2022 at 3:26:53 PM

The sad thing is I think they jumped the gun. Even his family said a recast would be okay from what I've heard.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144085: Jul 13th 2022 at 3:29:13 PM

Coogler may have left his grief overtake him there.

They probably should held off on answering what to do for a while but they instead went with immediately saying they won't recast Boseman out of a desire to honor him

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 13th 2022 at 3:57:40 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#144086: Jul 13th 2022 at 3:35:21 PM

I'm starting to grow an active hatred for all discussions of T'challa's recast or lack thereof. It's a terrible situation involving a man's death and everyone on the internet is unshakeable that they know what's best and any other alternative deserves nothing but scorn. People need to get a grip that this isn't a simple situation with easy answers.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#144087: Jul 13th 2022 at 3:37:30 PM

I generally think not recasting results in a net negative where representation is concerned, sends a poor message and - speculatively - probably wouldn't have been what Chadwick wanted (hence his family being like "just do it").

It's something that absolutely makes sense for Hollywood to do, but it's ignores the context of the character's presence, which is unfortunate.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#144088: Jul 13th 2022 at 3:41:02 PM

[up][up] Agreed. Fan entitlement is really terrible.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#144089: Jul 13th 2022 at 3:46:46 PM

I feel like dismissing people feeling very strongly about representation enough to have a distinct opinion about it as fan entitlement is kind of gross. People pinned a lot of hopes in regards to how black characters would be represented by Hollywood on T'Challa, and so it makes sense that there would be a heavy fracturing when the actor died and nobody knew what to do about it.

Also, people have varied opinions about representation and how black characters should treated by film because it's a complex issue where there's no clear cut solution, not in spite of it.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#144090: Jul 13th 2022 at 3:48:59 PM

I'm not talking about discussing the matter in general, I'm talking about these types of fans Gaon mentioned, the types of fans who think only THEY know best and aggressively talk down anybody who offers a different opinion.

Edited by Forenperser on Jul 13th 2022 at 12:49:09 PM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144091: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:01:24 PM

Yeah, I've seen my fair share of the #RecastTChalla people online. And while I understand their passion, it's just getting to the point of delusion in my opinion. I get that Chadwick's death and how it affects the Black Panther franchise makes people very passionate about it, but...c'mon guys. Don't harass the creators about it.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 13th 2022 at 4:02:04 AM

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#144092: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:06:15 PM

What about Ross then? Are they also retiring the character after Hurt's passing?

Just wondering that, cause he seemed like a pretty big character as well.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144093: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:09:13 PM

Give him another heart attack (or otherwise write him out) and have him replaced by an expy. Ross's claim to fame, his connection with the Hulk is barely used in the MCU, there's no reason you can't use any other character to film his high handed government authority schtick.

Eta: Sorry that was my suggestion, no idea if Marvel have said what they're doing about the situation.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 13th 2022 at 12:10:09 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144094: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:09:17 PM

I can accept at this point that they aren't going to recast T'Challa. I don't particularly like it, but Marvel has made their stance and it's too late to change anything at this point.

[up]Heck, replace him with Gyrich now that they have the rights to him (yeah, Gyrich was apparently considered an X-Men character as far as movie rights were concerned. Go figure).

Edited by lbssb on Jul 13th 2022 at 4:10:46 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144095: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:12:10 PM

There's an extra awkwardness that the comics are currently looking like they might replace or kill off T'Challa

So it feels rather exploitative of Boseman especially the leaks that say he's gonna die of some kind of illness.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144096: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:13:46 PM

I think the argument “it’s what Chadwick would have wanted” weirds me out the most. Like he’s dead, please don’t put words in his mouth to justify what you want to happen in your franchise.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#144097: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:13:49 PM

Hmmm that's some slippery slope reason to write T'Challa out. Honestly i would just have him not participate in the film for a potential recast but marvel has made their stance clear and i doubt they are gonna do that.

Uni cat
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144098: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:16:40 PM

[up]*4

That makes sense to me? I've always encountered Gyrich in X-Men circles, with Kelly or running Sentinel programs that kind of thing.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#144099: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:17:04 PM

He was in Avengers comics a lot too, being the face of the government jerk jerking the team around.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144100: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:18:02 PM

Most of the comics I've read with him are about him being the Avengers' asshole government guy, so I've always kinda associated him with them more.

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Edited by lbssb on Jul 13th 2022 at 4:18:35 AM

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