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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#144051: Jul 12th 2022 at 8:35:01 PM

I think I'd do two things:

1. Have Doom not be Latveria's first autocratic ruler. This is more or less the case in the comics from my understanding, but that way he's only positively compared with his equally autocratic predecessor(s) rather than a hypothetical democratic Latveria.

2. Emphasize that while life in Latveria improved under Doom by some metrics, it's pretty obvious that the whole country is a house of cards that would implode if he weren't there since he has no heir apparent and has totally neglected to build up institutions that aren't personally reliant on him.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#144052: Jul 12th 2022 at 8:57:02 PM

The Doom 2019 comic miniseries had a good bit that I have brought up before on these forums.

A Latverian meteorologist is working with American colleagues who start a conversation about Doom's oppressive rule. The meteorologist points out all of the good things Doom has brought to Latveria. The American meteorologists insist on talking about the oppressive stuff.

Then the Latervian meteorologist cites a part of Latveria's penal code that states that any Latverian criticizing Doom is committing sedition.

Her colleagues get the message and stop talking about this.

Disgusted, but not surprised
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#144053: Jul 12th 2022 at 10:38:30 PM

Doom seems like one of those characters where the very things that make him a fleshed out, interesting character are also the things that run the risk of making him look tooooo sympathetic or at the very least too effective.

Kaze ni Nare!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144054: Jul 12th 2022 at 10:57:06 PM

Yeah. The Killmonger apologists were bad enough, could you imagine the discourse online surrounding MCU Doctor Doom if he's a multi-faceted character?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#144055: Jul 12th 2022 at 11:12:15 PM

Especially since we'd most likely be seeing Latveria from an outsider's perspective. Or from Doom's. Where we'd be able to see the country's power on full display, but probably not get much insight into the average lives of its citizens. We might hear some lines of dialogue describing the problems with Latveria. But exposition isn't as effective as actually seeing and feeling it.

Getting across the downsides of Doom's rule while also not denying the power he brings to Latveria or the love he inspires in its people sounds like the kind of balancing act you'd need to handle very delicately, and I can't imagine doing so without the audience spending a lot of time IN Latveria.

Edited by GNinja on Jul 12th 2022 at 6:51:20 PM

Kaze ni Nare!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144056: Jul 12th 2022 at 11:23:09 PM

If the Contessa's plan somehow factors into Latveria somehow, I can see her recruited heroes/villains being deployed to the country Mission Impossible style to do some covert operations. Thus, we get a perspective on the country through their work over there.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 12th 2022 at 11:23:47 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144057: Jul 12th 2022 at 11:32:35 PM

That be pretty cool especially if we go dwindling party as each member of the team is steadily brought down by Doom.

Would even end in a hopeless boss-fight with him with Walker and Yelena.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144058: Jul 12th 2022 at 11:42:43 PM

Maybe they could introduce an latverian ally to the heroes who left the country because of the complete lack of freedom of expression or because they saw some things they werent supposed to see. That would give us a insider perspective for why Latveria is maybe not that great a place to live and would also help to humanize its people a bit.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 12th 2022 at 8:43:02 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#144059: Jul 13th 2022 at 12:11:44 AM

It'd be pretty dope if Contessa's plot was setting up Secret War, and the culmination is her team going up against Doom and Lucia Von Bardas.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch from where I suspect it might be going already. I still think it might be set-up for the Secret Warriors and tie into Secret Invasion.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 13th 2022 at 12:12:38 PM

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144060: Jul 13th 2022 at 12:20:50 AM

It could be both, who says the Contessas team will be only used for one major story. Would also make Doom beating them an even more effective moment for him if they where prominently part of another big event before.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#144061: Jul 13th 2022 at 12:44:29 AM

Though, while people claim Latveria is a prosperous country in the comics, a lot of the time it appears that (aside from Doom's personal toys) it's never advanced beyond the Medieval era.

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144062: Jul 13th 2022 at 12:49:28 AM

So we have another leaked concept art that shows that MCU Doctor Doom is apparently planned to make an appeariance in the near future and what he might look like, perfect timing for the coversation. Was confirmed to be legit.

Apparently this is for Wakanda Forever, that movie sure is starting to leak quite a bit a plot summary is now also making the rounds.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 13th 2022 at 9:56:57 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#144063: Jul 13th 2022 at 1:01:50 AM

Oh dear, are we really going to dip into Doomwar? I'm starting to think the people who are saying Feige is deliberately adapting controversial comics storylines in an effort to be Better Than Canon, even if some of them are the kind that nobody in their right mind should be touching at all, are right.

I do have faith in Coogler to take the concept and make it actually good in spite of this, but just as I said I feared after DS:MOM went with Craaaaazy Wanda, it doesn't bode well for The Marvels to not somehow adapt the Marcus Immortus storyline, even if it does try to rehabilitate it by deconstructing it into a feminist tract on the evils of rape culture.

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144064: Jul 13th 2022 at 1:08:42 AM

[up]If the leaked plot is to be belived Doom will only appear in the post credid scene. But also apparently Shuri really is gonna be the new Black Panther from now on, cant say Im particulary stoked for that.

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#144065: Jul 13th 2022 at 1:10:46 AM

[up][up][up] I would rather wait for confirmation from the movie but if true, whoa!coolevil grin

Edited by SAwatching on Jul 13th 2022 at 10:11:08 AM

Sincerely S Awatching.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#144066: Jul 13th 2022 at 1:19:16 AM

[up][up] Urgh. While it does have strong basis in the comics, and Wright isn't Ezra Miller levels of horrific, or necessarily Gina Carano levels of stupid, she's damn close on that last one.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144067: Jul 13th 2022 at 1:44:52 AM

Granted I don’t see the point in adapting Doom War without T’Challa but hey if they turn Shuri into her Hudlin-era characterization where she was a brutal hardliner super patriot willing to kill her own people for getting in her way, hell this might actually be interesting. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144068: Jul 13th 2022 at 1:48:48 AM

[up][up] I mean who else is there that could fill that role? It's Either Shuri, basically the last member of the royal family left, or invent/introduce a new character to be Black Panther (or bite the bullet and recast T'Challa which they refuse to do.)

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#144069: Jul 13th 2022 at 2:11:18 AM

Weve got Emmy Nominations.

Chadwick Boseman and Jeffrey Wright for What If and F Murray Abraham as Khonshu in Moon Knight. Both for outstanding voice work. Kinda hoping for an MCU win here.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#144070: Jul 13th 2022 at 5:17:54 AM

[up][up]W'Kabi, if he has a redemption arc?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144071: Jul 13th 2022 at 5:36:08 AM

Cynically I think they might give it to Boseman out of guilt from that Oscars brouhaha.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#144072: Jul 13th 2022 at 7:29:34 AM

Oscar Isaac didn't get an Emmy nomination? Dude got robbed hard.

The legend has returned.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144073: Jul 13th 2022 at 8:43:40 AM

I mean who else is there that could fill that role?

Nakia or Okoye. Nakia is good as bethrothed to T’challa so now her concerns of commanding no army are handled.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144074: Jul 13th 2022 at 9:27:15 AM

[up][up]He did, for Scenes from a Marriage (2021). Not surprised they snubbed Moon Knight, Tatiana Maslany did 6x the Acting for Two work on Orphan Black and wasn’t nominated until a while into the show.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144075: Jul 13th 2022 at 11:16:56 AM

I wanna see Marc, Jake and Steven argue about whether they deserved to be nominated for an Emmy How It Should Have Ended style.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."

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