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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#144001: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:20:59 PM

And the rehabilitation of first two thor movies is less that and more a backlash for ragnarok incrising the wacky style of marvel humor that turn some people off(including me).

I will said for me infinty war feel like a good thor movie in that is very epic in a space viking style: is THOR, wanting to get a new weapon so he have to witstand a SUN, to create the STORMBREAKER, for VENGANCE against a maniac who wants to MURDER THE UNIVERSE.

It feel very metal when you think of it.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#144002: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:21:26 PM

My Fancast for Doom is to have Simon Templeman play him again. Even if it means doing a Darth Vader where he voices the character while a guy does the physical acting. Is doing that called anything specific?

A way that they could go with Doom is have him believe that superheroes aren't exercising their power correctly. That they act as glorified handymen who use, in his mind, half-measures when their powers/abilities/intellect, entitle them to responsibilities far greater then those held by ordinary men.

Rather then being a Super Supremacist like the Goblin though, Doom instead acts out of a twisted sense of oblesse oblige. It could be what ignites the rivalry between him as Richards, who he did genuinely considered a intellectual equal and friend? Richards rejects this mindset of Victor's, calling it arrogance and unjust, and Doom takes that personally.

We are proof, man was not created equally, Richards. For too long the unworthy have led the world into crisis, after crisis! It is our duty to helm Humanity's course, do not allow petty laws and morals made by lesser men, keep you from claiming what nature clearly has intended to be ours."

Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 12th 2022 at 9:32:33 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#144003: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:22:28 PM

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Considering how petty Doom can be, I think the best bet would be to have someone try and....and then Doom completely wrecks their shit.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#144004: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:34:20 PM

Look

If someone snarks at Doom you just draw inspiration from Avengers EMH where Wasp tried and Doom shut the conversation down

Edit:

The very scene in fact

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 12th 2022 at 4:36:50 AM

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Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#144005: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:36:56 PM

That would be a great way to establish that Doom is not your average MCU villain. You don't get to quib at him and he has no tolerance for irrelevant snark.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144006: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:40:01 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Thats the funny thing, Infinity War is the most Thor he's ever been in as a badass being capable of unleashing Godlike feats in an epic scale

While the post-Ragnarok Thor movies portrays him more as an arrogant dullard which amusingly is more like comic Hercules than Thor

Those movies are metal because they use a lot of rock movie but Infinity War is metal in the sense of him actually doing metal shit

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 12th 2022 at 1:40:53 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#144007: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:47:26 PM

It would be fun to have Doom act like yet another villain prone to lengthy exposition, but the minute someone decides that Talking Is a Free Action is a dumb trope and tries to whoop his ass mid-sentence, he nukes them as soon as they move, then expresses indignation at someone actually thinking he'd make such an entry-level mistake as letting his guard down during a monologue.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Jul 12th 2022 at 1:49:51 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#144008: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:48:01 PM

It remind me of ozymandias counter to laury "Please laurie....grow up".

[up][up]Yeah I will get that is my issue, Thor feel a chararter who is kinda being reduce to a comedy protagonist because try to make him serious or epic kinda failed.

I feel thor epic feat are the kind of thing you can see in tandem with capitan marvel.

[up]Knowing Doom, he would actually feel more annoying someone try to interrupting him, I mean that is just rude.

Edited by unknowing on Jul 12th 2022 at 4:49:31 AM

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DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#144009: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:48:56 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again, at this point adaptations should be treated as a distinct multiverse.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144010: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:53:13 PM

Yeah I feel Doom should be the character where the hero trys their obligatory snarking only for Doom to shut them down completely through a thorough beatdown or witty retort that makes them feel like an idiot

There should be a menace there and Doom is the guy who doesn't take any shit

[up][up] After Dark World's failure and Ragnarok's massive success they've since tilted to Thor being a full on action-comedy with emphasis on the comedy yeah.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 12th 2022 at 1:54:31 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#144011: Jul 12th 2022 at 1:53:33 PM

Thor’s happy go lucky goofessness seems to me like a defense mechanism really

You see it slip briefly in infinity war and he’s almost paralyzed by all the crap that’s happened to him in a time period that’s like a blink to an Asgardian lifespan!

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144012: Jul 12th 2022 at 2:09:39 PM

Honestly I felt like the new movie took Thor’s grief more seriously than in Endgame. There everyone was berating him, mocking his weight, slapping him and telling him to shut up and get over himself, ad nauseam. Here it feels like people are actually concerned about him. I definitely could not see the Quill of Infinity War/Endgame taking the time to patiently talk with Thor and assure him that feeling pain is natural. It’s a comedy but it doesn’t hate its characters.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 12th 2022 at 2:12:20 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#144013: Jul 12th 2022 at 2:28:17 PM

I liked the touch that Quill clearly doesn't like having Thor around, but that doesn't mean he's not willing and able to connect with him on an emotional level and help him turn his life around.

Damn, L&T movie got Quill better than Infinity War / Endgame did as well.

Also, without getting into it, L&T made me a bit more optimistic for how the GOTG 3 might handle Quill and Gamora too.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 12th 2022 at 2:29:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144014: Jul 12th 2022 at 2:41:30 PM

There's something amusing how the first Thor movie centered on Thor stop being an arrogant jackass and as of Love and Thunder he's now back to being an arrogant douche...... only nicer I guess.

He's now treating the Guardians like his lackeys and assumes the ship and everything they have is his personal belongings.

Man he's lucky Stormbreaker doesn't have a worthiness mechanic.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#144015: Jul 12th 2022 at 2:55:06 PM

Amusing, character-ruining, to-may-to to-mah-to.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144016: Jul 12th 2022 at 3:08:29 PM

Thor back in Thor 1 genuinely thought he was the greatest god ever and everyone should give him all their stuff. Here in L&T the Guardians pick up pretty clearly that Thor’s acting all boastful but really he’s trying to distract himself from his loss. He’s almost like Rocket in Guardians 2, acting arrogant in an attempt to convince himself he doesn’t care about anybody.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144017: Jul 12th 2022 at 3:09:10 PM

[up][up] I think the only difference now is that Thor isn't an imperialist anymore. Not much of an improvement though, is it?

(No Love and Thunder spoilers pls)

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Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#144018: Jul 12th 2022 at 3:40:10 PM

He wasn't hurting from massive loss at the start of Ragnarok, which is when he went back to "I am the greatest god and always right and can kill whoever I please in the name of protecting what's mine."

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144019: Jul 12th 2022 at 3:41:29 PM

That seems a rather... ungenerous take of what he was like in Ragnarok?

eta: He was certainly more flippant and confident even at the start of Ragnarok, which is sad because one of the things I like about The Dark World, which I said before I admit, was that the character development from Thor 1 had stuck and he seemed a mature leader which contrasted Odin losing control.

But hey a Mature Thor was too boring for Chris Hemsworth to play so that got changed.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 12th 2022 at 11:43:55 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144020: Jul 12th 2022 at 3:42:59 PM

Surtur is a conquering demon.

Hell if we get Beta Ray Bill here then he will have destroyed entire worlds for no reason than just because.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#144021: Jul 12th 2022 at 3:53:12 PM

Looks like Alden Ehrenreich (aka younger Han Solo) is gonna be in Ironheart.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144022: Jul 12th 2022 at 4:05:30 PM

Oh, that's nice. Considering Kathleen Kennedy implied she wasn't interested in making a Solo sequel, maybe Alden can do something neat in that series.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#144023: Jul 12th 2022 at 4:15:18 PM

"There's something amusing how the first Thor movie centered on Thor stop being an arrogant jackass and as of Love and Thunder he's now back to being an arrogant douche...... only nicer I guess. "

I always feel his change in thor 1 was preformatic since Thor acting all boastful and stuff is what make him funny.

Is kinda how tony have to constantly relearn his lession because jerk tony is best tony.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#144024: Jul 12th 2022 at 4:35:17 PM

Surtur was a conquered demon trying to strike back against conquering gods. If what Thor did to him was fine and dandy, then anyone barging into Asgard to assassinate Odin while he still controlled his conquered realms would've been even more justified. But instead, merely deposing him and allowing his conquered realms to do as they wished was a terrible crime.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144025: Jul 12th 2022 at 4:39:50 PM

A conquered demon though.

Ya wanna see what an unconquered demon looks like? Ask Bill.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 12th 2022 at 4:41:01 AM

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