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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I feel Phase 4 is just aimed at several things. It's scaling back to Phase 1's approach where everything was nebulous until Avengers, it's just you can't' redo Phase 1. The universe grew a lot bigger.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I feel like we just hit that inevitable creative slump.
The Marvel formula is becoming more and more tired and is increasingly forming a larger stranglehold on the films, especially the films like Eternals that are trying to do some different.
They gotta advance, evolve, do something really different.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."They need to do the impossible. Hire Martin Scorsese.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 10th 2022 at 7:06:48 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."They have something better: Sam Raimi. Just point him in a direction and let him loose.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I wonder how much of Multiverse of Madness's problems are his fault and how much is Executive Meddling.
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jul 10th 2022 at 10:18:32 AM
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Phase 4 seems to be showing a trend of uncaring and/or Jerkass Gods. From Moon Knight's Khonshu to The Eternals' Celestials to a whole bunch of pantheons in Thor: Love and Thunder, the gods of the MCU really don't look good.
It's almost as if it's answering the question "Why didn't any gods try to stop Thanos?"
With the answer being that gods are assholes.
Edited by M84 on Jul 10th 2022 at 10:22:37 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedI will say the increasing wackiness and critiques over Love and Thunder's humor reminds me of the original Batman movie's escalation from the first Tim Burton film to...... Batman and Robin....
Makes me wonder especially with the trademark MCU humor if we are reaching that fine line where it goes from wacky to just plain stupid.
From the looks of it Thor is already edging that point to some degree.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 10th 2022 at 7:38:43 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I wonder how much of it is the MCU and how much of it is Taika Waititi's Creator Thumbprint with Protection from Editors. Could be a mix of both with Feige deliberately going for directors like James Gunn and Taika Waititi who have that kind of style to begin with.
I've seen a trend of some people trying to rehabilitate the first two Thor movies. This trend started before Love and Thunder, but it does seem to have become stronger as a slight backlash against the direction Ragnarok took. Mind, so far it's only been the first film some people agree has been overlooked to a degree, and I've been a defender of the first Thor for a while. The Dark World will never be rehabilitated
I like both of em. The Waititi films are better, obviously, but the other two are pretty good in their own ways... the first one moreso, granted.
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonThe Dark World is mostly boring but I really like the Odinson-family dynamics in it. The stuff with Loki and Frigga is a standout, obviously, but I really like Odin's characterization in it as well. The way he dismisses Jane as beneath the Asgardians is pretty reminiscent of Loki's speeches about humanities' inferiority in the first Avengers and the satisfied expression he has when he talks about how Bor killed all the Dark Elves feels a lot like Thor's warmongering at the very beginning of the first movie. I think it's pretty clear where Thor and Loki got it from.
And the attitude fits pretty well with what we later learned about Odin in Ragnarok, even though I know that particular plot point wasn't thought up yet.
Edited by CheapMarzipan on Jul 10th 2022 at 10:28:13 AM
Dark World had a lot of good moments that did not really cohere into a good movie. Usually blamed on the Loki rewrites.
Although, its a shame that Malekith didn't have more of his comic self and that the rewrites for Loki weren't more extensive.
There's a common thread you can draw between Loki and Malekith thats just sitting on the table.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersTDW is definitely still pretty limp and I always knew was a lower rung MCU work so at least I wasn’t disappointed when I saw it. It’s not even abysmal, it’s just weak with some good stuff between Loki and his folks mixed in, plus some nice scenery and action beats. Plus it’s got Chris Evans as Loki as Captain America for a little bit, so that’s something to look back on fondly.
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)TDW is the most created-by-committee movie out of all the first three phases' movies, and it shows. Together that makes it too competent to be bad but it's also extremely boilerplate and dull as opposed to truly offensively bad (which can nevertheless still be more interesting than the former in its own way).
Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 10th 2022 at 1:08:21 PM
I haven't heard a lot about the original version, aside from Malekith stuff being cut for Loki stuff. Was the plot very different?
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI think the first Thor is pretty solid, and it seems to me like Kenneth Branagh would be able to make a greater Thor film in a sequel and with more creative freedom. TDW is weak and generic though it has its bright spots. TIH is the worst film of the first few phases by a country mile but that one I'd blame more directly on the director as Louis Leterrier just isn't that good when it comes to directing films.
Re: Sam Raimi and Doctor Strange, I'd generally say that it's a miracle Multiverse Of Madness even works as much as it does. By all accounts Raimi and Waldron got put on the film in a ridiculously tight schedule (as Marvel didn't want to delay it again after Derrickson and Cargill left, their script going with them) to the point Raimi and Waldron were rewriting the script as it was being filmed. It's a completely insane charge to put on a director (particularly one who hadn't directed a film in a decade) and it's a testament to Raimi's experience in guerilla filmmaking that he managed to put out a film that's at least competent on time. The COVID delays are the only reason Raimi and Waldron didn't end up going into shooting without a script (as opposed to a unfinished script that got rehauled during filming, as it happened) by the looks of it.
If Marvel Studios has any shred of sanity in them they should try to get Raimi on-board for the inevitable sequel and give him a proper pre-production this time. It's a repeat of the situation with Ant-Man with Peyton Reed having to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat after Wright's departure amid Executive Meddling.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."

I mean, covid was a pretty big break.
Maybe that's why they are overcompensating these last two years...
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