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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#143726: Jul 9th 2022 at 7:18:42 AM

Come to think of it, Blade is really is one of these characters everyone knows primarily through film, who just cannot support his own book.

Edited by Forenperser on Jul 9th 2022 at 4:19:01 PM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#143727: Jul 9th 2022 at 8:55:54 AM

[insert joke here about Blade hunting Morbius]

Honestly kinda hilarious considering that in the comic they updated Blade to his movie self by having Morbius bite him :p

Cross (Don’t ask)
#143728: Jul 9th 2022 at 8:58:33 AM

[insert joke here about Blade hunting Morbius]

Pretty sure that was a plot in the old cartoon.

fanman "To watch it all burn." from Earth-Prime/Earth-1218 Since: Feb, 2022 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
"To watch it all burn."
#143729: Jul 9th 2022 at 9:03:49 AM

So is Blade the one person Morbius cannot morb?

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#143731: Jul 9th 2022 at 9:35:01 AM

Gorr morb's him

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#143732: Jul 9th 2022 at 9:53:28 AM

Genuine question, do Marvel vampires have a god or a figure that takes a similar role?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#143733: Jul 9th 2022 at 9:55:45 AM

Google is saying Chthon fills that role

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 9th 2022 at 5:55:59 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#143734: Jul 9th 2022 at 9:57:06 AM

Midnight Sons: Brings everyone together + Jennifer Kale, Man-Thing, Johnny Blaze, Robbie Reyes, and Daimon Hellstrom, deals with Lilith and her spawn.

Nice line up. Personally I'd add Tigra to it and maybe limit it to only one Ghost Rider.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#143735: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:02:14 AM

I sometimes forget Tigra is tangentially demonic

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#143736: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:02:40 AM

I don't know if demonic is the right term, but she does have mystical connections.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 9th 2022 at 6:03:04 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#143737: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:10:07 AM

Well the cat people who made her a cat person had turned into demons after being shoved into hell

Although maybe that has changed. I’m still way back when Tigra first grew her tail

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#143738: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:11:10 AM

So for fancasting and depictions, here's what I have for Blade villains:

  • Deacon Frost (Robert Pattinson): One of the most repulsive people in the MCU. A debauched, depraved, Mengele-like figure (and an open and proud Nazi who happily worked with the Third Reich). Proudly racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, and an out-and-out Social Darwinist conducting all sorts of horrific experiments.
  • Dracula (Tobin Bell): Has some archaic attitudes and is extremely brutal and ruthless, but is a fairly affable and personable guy, all things considered. A warrior at heart, respects strength, skill, determination, and cleverness and actually rather likes Blade and Elsa and is kind of impressed by them, and generally sees them as worthy adversaries to be treated with honor and dignity. Absolutely disgusted by Deacon Frost and hated him to the core, and outright commends Blade for offing him.
  • Varnae (Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson): An animalistic brute who lost the last of his humanity millennia ago, and basically only knows violence and subjugation and cannot be reasoned or bargained with. More a force of nature than anything, he wants to enslave the world and make everyone either his thrall or food.
  • Lilith (Christina Ricci): Seems kind of affable and charming at first, but is a completely inhuman abomination who wants to overrun existence with her spawn and stops being nice real fast if people (understandably) don't agree to worship her or be a host or food for whatever vile thing is percolating in her womb this time.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Jul 9th 2022 at 10:14:15 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#143739: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:25:01 AM

[up]Interesting casting choice of Ricci. I believe she and Pattison have been in a movie together. Though I'm not quite sure if I want him to play a vampire again.

The problem with Tobey's Peter being so miserable for having powers is that it almost seemed like Uncle Ben wanted to ruin his life with the advice he gave him.

It's less "with great power comes great responsibility," and more "with great power comes a miserable life."

Well, you can't say they weren't accurate to the comics given what Peter's life is often like.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#143740: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:26:38 AM

Going back to the X-Men, when we do see them put ons creen eventually, I would love for them not to do the "Wolverine and Cyclops rivalry" shtick for once. I'd rather see this dynamic for a change

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/cykelogan.jpg

Brothers in arms who have a grudging respect for one another.

Edited by Forenperser on Jul 9th 2022 at 7:27:13 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#143741: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:27:00 AM

Tigra is a tiefling from the sounds of it

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#143742: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:37:31 AM

[up]x2 That's Rosenberg's murder run?

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#143744: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:43:51 AM

a race from Dungeons and dragons with demonic linage

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#143745: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:57:01 AM

I chose Ricci because Lilith having a goth mommy guise and a truly monstrous and disgusting true form would be a good dichotomy, and I guess I could have gone with Fairuza Balk or Anjelica Huston, but older actresses tend to get cast as villains way too much.

As for Pattinson, it's a good second chance as a vampire and I think he'd be great playing an astoundingly evil villain with no redeeming value who just keeps topping themselves in heinousness.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Jul 9th 2022 at 10:58:15 AM

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#143746: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:14:33 AM

[up]×6

Problem is that it has been such a staple of their relationship through every adaptation that they might feel obligated to have it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#143747: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:53:10 AM

Eh, Logan's shown respect for Scott as much as he's disliked him.

Even during their early days, there were plenty of moments where he admitted he respected Scott, and this was during the full blown Love Triangle with Jean.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#143748: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:55:25 AM

Absolutely never going to happen but I'd love for the MCU not to feature Logan for a good long while. Give the other X-Men a chance to shine.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#143749: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:56:38 AM

Maybe it could happen.

They might want to somewhat differentiate themselves from the Foxmen, so putting Logan on the back burner could work.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#143750: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:58:14 AM

I've longed stated (not sure if I've done so on the forums here), that I would adore if they started off with Laura (X-23), preferably with Dafne Keen back, rather than go straight to Logan. Maybe hold off on him for a bit.

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