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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
For continuity the only Phase 4 things you had to see to keep up were Black Widow for Hawkeye and WandaVision for Doctor Strange (and not to get into that but even that didn't make Strange make sense)
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Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 5th 2022 at 9:36:06 AM
I hear a lot of people talking about fatigue but I don't think it really exists because so many people are watching new movies and series. I was chatting to a friend who admitted that he found the complexity a bit overwhelming, but that is what I liked so much about the MCU, so I highly doubt that Disney + is causing a huge problem for the movies, if anything it allowing them to expand there verse. Heck flashes forward five years people might be saying it was the saving grace of phase 4.
I have seen that the MCU has been getting just a lot of heat lately and wondering why that is, and the Corridor Crew gave a theory that I find Ironic, it is a victim of its own success because it really raised the bar with the events leading up to Endgame and Endgame itself, so a lot of people expectations are geared to that level.
Sincerely S Awatching.I agree that the crossovers taking over characters' franchises is a problem. Unfortunately, it's one that's probably not going away any time soon because they sell. Jesus Christ, do the crossovers sell.
No Way Home is trash as a Spider-Holland film, but it nonetheless made nearly $2 billion. It's by far the highest grossing Spider-Man movie ever made, making almost as much as Homecoming and Far From Home combined. During COVID.
Multiverse of Madness's box office gain wasn't quite so hyperbolic, but it still showed just under a 50% jump in sales figures from Strange's previous movie. Thor: Ragnarok is similarly Thor's best showing at the theater. Civil War? Like Strange, Civil War saw just under a 50% jump in sales figures from Winter Soldier exceeding the billion mark by a significant margin where other Captain America films never approached it.
The message is pretty clear: These movies sell. They're what Marvel's fans crave. They don't want to see Ant-Man fight Scarlet Beetle; They want to see Ant-Man team up with Moon Knight and the Hawkeyes to fight the Time Variance Authority. They want more interconnectivity, not less. Nothing more reliably sells tickets.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 5th 2022 at 6:04:43 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Correlation is indeed not causation, and they are doing non-crossover-y things to compare to. But in every instance where they've done both, the crossovers always blow the non-crossovers out of the water.
Do you know what the top ten highest-grossing MCU films are?
- Avengers: Endgame
- Avengers: Infinity War
- Spider-Man: No Way Home
- The Avengers
- Avengers: Age of Ultron
- Black Panther
- Iron Man 3
- Captain America: Civil War
- Spider-Man: Far From Home
- Captain Marvel
Crossovers dominate that list. Sometimes solo heroes are cool enough to make as much money by themselves as other characters do in crossovers. T'Challa and Tony demonstrate that rather clearly here. But they still do even better in crossovers, as demonstrated by Spider-Man.
The facts are inarguable. The crossovers sell better than the solo films do.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.You've agreed that correlation is not (necessarily) causation. Then banged on some more about the same correlation you've made.
Yes the team up movies do well as do apparently culminations of story arcs and films they can plug are firsts for representation.
That doesn't mean people only want crossovers and team ups. You can't make every story full of crossovers. You've got to have the solo movies for the down time and build up and character establishment that they don't have time to do in the team movies.
eta: though it is counter intuitive the alter movies making more money, aside from inflation, I wonder if more people saw the later movies or more people saw it repeatedly.
Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 5th 2022 at 2:25:33 PM
I don't disagree. You do need solo movies for all that stuff. But at the end of the day, that's exactly the mindset that we're dealing with now: Where solo movies exist to lay groundwork for the real money-makers: the crossovers.
That is exactly how Marvel sees it, and the direction we're heading in now is the inevitable endpoint for that philosophy of filmmaking: De-emphasizing solo projects and searching for ways that cash cow crossovers can be used to serve the same purpose that less lucrative solo projects already do.
Comic book fans are already familiar with this endpoint. It's plagued comic writing for decades.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 5th 2022 at 6:28:19 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It will most likely go up. As more people go to see it.
Edited by SAwatching on Jul 5th 2022 at 5:06:49 PM
Sincerely S Awatching.Out of 64 reviews, of the hundreds that will come in. Expect to see that number change, for better or worse.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 5th 2022 at 8:06:45 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.@windleleopard: To be duly noted M'baku already is verbally acknowledged in-dialogue as "The Great Gorilla" in the first BP movie once or twice.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
M'baku already is verbally acknowledged in-dialogue as "The Great Gorilla"
And that's more of a Red Baron example than a racial slur. Why not use that from now on where M'Baku calls himself "Great Gorilla" as a hammy way to make an entrance?
"Decided to see what people's impressions are on Love and Thunder online. They aren't too positive so far."
That's called review bombing. It is doubtless great but a hundred and one trolls are going to say it's awful just because.
Sincerely S Awatching.Though the critical reception also seems to trend downwards its now at 68% with 97 reviews.
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I've seen quite a bit of praise for the fact that they did not just throw out the ape theme but instead managed to turn it into something that felt empowering instead of degrading.
Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 5th 2022 at 6:30:51 PM

Those fears were valid in the first movie, when M'Baku was just getting introduced. But we know M'Baku now, we've seen him in three movies now, he's great, he's well-loved. I don't think there would be much controversy now about giving him gorilla-themed superpowers, now that he's an established and well-written character.