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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
An interesting thought I just now realized is that Wakanda Forever could be compared to Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness.
There have been people that have noted that Mo M is technically not a Doctor Strange film, being more of a Scarlet Witch and multiverse movie with Strange in the lead. Strange is the main character but he’s not really dealing with Doctor Strange stuff, instead Wanda and the Illuminati comprised of multiple heroes and only one character from his mythos.
So it will be interesting when Wakanda Forever comes out what will be the ratio of it being a Namor film that happens to star some Wakandan characters as the protagonists.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."So it's like a Supporting Protagonist film. Either way, this is definitely proof of the extreme absurdly of Phase 4.
Too many crisis crossover events and too much Continuity Lock-Out when they should be going for conflicts that are smaller in scale (Ms. Marvel, though I worry about this changing in the next two episodes; the Netflix shows) or lower on the shoehorned cameos (Moon Knight, also Ms. Marvel).
Its fairly notable in BP's case as the inclusion of Namor and his characters basically opens up an entire new franchise within the movie
Which considering this is only the second film of the series already trying to find and reconfigure itself after the passing of its main characters actor, that is a lot.
Which is really sad because I think Namor was at least intended for Black Panther 3 but Boseman's death may have possibly lead them to instead rush all this for BP 2.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."In similar vein, Loki is more a show about the TVA that just happens to feature Loki.
Okey Dokey!Yeah, the movies are suffering from the same problem that often plagues the comics: Nobody wants to write reasonable conflicts. Everything has to always be the biggest thing ever written now.
In theory, this could be remedied by making TV shows. But Marvel isn't interested in making TV shows. They're just making longer movies and cutting them into chapters. So the issue remains.
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It's interesting, because it's not like the MCU's been allergic to that in the past. I think Civil War was pretty poorly executed, but it was clearly intending exactly a reasonable, low level conflict.
I can't tell if it's the fact that they've been trying to set up the multiverse, and/or mostly an accident of character, Strange/Loki/Wanda all scale bigger. But they did it with Spiderman/Falcon/Winter Soldier too.
ETA: Hawkeye's the closest they've come to street level and I really enjoyed it, despite it's flaws, but besides that, I'm struggling to think of any recent or upcoming small-scale films.
Edited by ECD on Jul 4th 2022 at 7:12:04 AM
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I mean, they try to hype it up a bit, but the threat is literally one guy carrying out a bombing and psychological games. Even the supersoldier threat is fairly obviously fake as they were put on ice years ago. There's some suggestion they'll run around toppling governments, but as their own government was able to put them on ice, the concern is minimal and fake.
It’s big in participation numbers and fallout but small in what’s at stake
Which was mostly Tony Stark’s feelings and Bucky’s life
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe fact that you guys are all talking about this is interesting, since I was kind of trying to write out my thoughts on how the whole big-stakes problem has been a Franchise Original Sin from the beginning, but people really only started to notice around Ms. Marvel, which I thought I'd make an actual entry at some point.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 4th 2022 at 8:49:40 AM
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Namor also does tend to respect people who refuse to back down from hopeless fights with him and battle to the bitter end, so there's that. Could just be a case of Panther not being able to fight him in a million years but deciding to do their best anyway.