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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#143376: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:17:19 PM

It definitely going to be a good movie, at least from all the information we have gotten and with the original directing crew. Yet it will be bittersweet with no Chadwicks Black Panther. Still definitely going to see with now officially confirmed characters and just curiosity as to how there going to make this movie.

Speaking of absent actors, do you think they should recast Thunderbolt Ross? He may be an aggressive sleaze but he a fun one to have around.

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#143377: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:22:35 PM

Nah, I think we're past recasting at this point in the MCU.

Would be neat if the Thunderbolts were given some kind of post-mortem connection to him, though.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#143378: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:22:50 PM

I feel like this will turn out more of a Namor movie with some Black Panther supporting characters involved as otherwise it will like an Iron Man movie just starring Pepper Potts and Happy Hogan without IM himself.

They need an actual super, not a super's supporting cast after all.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:24:04 PM

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#143379: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:24:59 PM

It depends how they write out T'Challa. You need a Black Panther not a super. Some one trying to fill the role with just the tech but no powers (because the herb was destroyed) and wondering if they could live up the legacy would be a good plot.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#143380: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:26:16 PM

That would like saying you can't make a series about Falcon and Bucky because they're Cap's sidekicks.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#143381: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:28:38 PM

Yeah but Black Panther is T'Challa, that's the hard put.

Marketing loves to push the whole "Anyone can wear the mantles" but come on lets be real it just supposrd to sound nice, but the actual person behind the mask is who everyone cares about.

When people say Black Panther they mean T'Challa.

[up] Falcon and Bucky are supers though. They have the costumes and names. They aren't like say regular Shield agents.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:30:20 PM

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#143382: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:37:50 PM

Black Panther is T'Challa, Captain America is Steve Rogers until you sell people on a different character in the role. Since Black Panther is literally a legacy character and wakanadan role we've already seen used by someone else. It's actually less of a jump for him than anyone else.

Falcon ain't a super. Okoye and Shuri were right there in the battle of earth kicking as much ass as anyone.

Declaring you have to have a super seems short sighted to me.

eta: you certain can't make a Poorly Disguised Pilot for Namor and call it a respectful Black Panther sequel. It's got to be about the Wakandans and/or a new Black Panther.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 2nd 2022 at 8:42:01 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#143383: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:44:06 PM

They have done that before. T'Challa at several points has been succeeded or replaced, first by Kasper Cole in the 2000s and later by Shuri in the 2010s

Neither amounted to much or were very popular choices with T'Challa quickly coming to being the star. As while it's technically true that the Black Panther is a legacy title, it's only one Black Panther in particular that everyone cares about.

Like there a two people who go by the name Power Man. But the second Vixtor Alvarez is an afterthought as Luke Cage is the one everyone knows and cares about.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:45:08 PM

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uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
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#143384: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:44:28 PM

Well Steve had his story come to a proper conclusion before the mantle was passed on. YMMW on how well his story ended but it absolutely had an ending. You cant say the same for T'challa, narratively he was still only really getting started and him hastely being written out between movies makes an even remotely satisfying conclusion to his character pretty much impossible.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 2nd 2022 at 9:45:10 PM

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#143385: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:47:52 PM

Yes but that's irrelevant to "needing" another super.

they've either got to recast or cross that writing hurdle as best they can.

eta: The success or lack of other legacy characters for T'Challa is also irrelevant. The success or failure of this movie will be based on the movie itself, not who succeeded in the comics.

the comic audience is a tiny fraction of the mcu's audience after all.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 2nd 2022 at 8:50:01 PM

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#143386: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:51:02 PM

I also don't think it's a meaningful criticism for a movie we currently know very little about. Did Boseman's death and their corresponding refusal to recast a conundrum put the writers and studio in a pickle? Yes. Is it possible they'll put out a very stupid and tone-deaf explanation for T'challa's absence? Yes. Is that guaranteed? Not really. It is still possible that they are able to satisfyingly resolve it and I don't see the point in treating it like a done deal.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#143387: Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:54:20 PM

I don't know I doubt this will be resolved satisfactorily.

I expect a messy movie in the end.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:54:45 PM

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#143389: Jul 2nd 2022 at 2:29:50 PM

Giving the MCU Atlantis a mezoamerican aesteatic is definitly gonna make it feel very distinct from the one in the Aquaman movie.

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#143390: Jul 2nd 2022 at 2:40:18 PM

Namor certainly looks interesting. The nose ring is a nice touch.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#143391: Jul 2nd 2022 at 2:46:28 PM

Ooh, I like it. I think the loincloth is a decent way to adapt the tiny speedo in a family-friendly way, and going with a Mesoamerican aesthetic is a pretty creative way to make the Atlanteans stand out more and tie them in thematically with Wakanda by depicting two Hidden Elf Village societies themed around people of color.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#143392: Jul 2nd 2022 at 3:20:06 PM

I wonder if they'll make Atlantis Aztlán, the proverbial actual Hidden Elf Village of aztec myths (where men and gods lived before men were kicked out).

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#143393: Jul 2nd 2022 at 3:41:42 PM

Looks like the wings are part of his shinguards, not his actual ankles.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#143394: Jul 2nd 2022 at 4:43:35 PM

[up][up] The name I've seen thrown around is Tlalocan, the domain of the rain god Tlaloc (forgive the imprecise formatting). Seen claims around of the Aztecs having a flood/sunken city myth that this would slot into, will defer to others to verify that (unless it's just people talking about El Dorado).

[up] Another image shows him in more Aztec-esque garb which notably exposes his feet more, and it does look even more there like the wings are actually coming from his ankles.

Edited by Watchtower on Jul 2nd 2022 at 7:57:04 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#143395: Jul 2nd 2022 at 5:01:44 PM

Huh.

I guess Namora and Namorita (if they're even a thing in the MCU) ain't gonna be blonde. Or am I making assumptions out of nothing.

Not a complaint, mind you. Just an observation.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#143396: Jul 2nd 2022 at 5:28:28 PM

I am very curious how strong Namor is gonna be here. He's a fairly superheavy level character so that's a levels of strength up a couple tiers above BP.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 2nd 2022 at 5:44:47 AM

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#143397: Jul 2nd 2022 at 5:35:55 PM

Black Panther can usually hang with superheavyweights when it comes to the sharpness of his claws and the durability of his suit. In terms of physical stats, he's only like a 3/10, but as far as the claws and suit durability goes, he's a 9/10. Wolverine has the same kind of thing, where he's got mostly regular human stats, but his claws and skeleton is superheavyweight tier.

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#143398: Jul 2nd 2022 at 5:43:47 PM

Black Panther was a member of the Ultimates, nearly all the other members who were in the Flying Brick and beyond weight class, and he still held his own. One time he even ascended to fight on a Physical God power level when he bested and took control of the Tiger God in order to help Galactus against Master Order and Lord Chaos merged.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#143399: Jul 2nd 2022 at 5:46:06 PM

On that note, we also have our first look at Shuri and Okoye here

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/unknown_586.jpeg

Ha Shuri is wearing a tracksuit. tongue

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#143400: Jul 2nd 2022 at 6:31:46 PM

With regards to T'Challa, they're obviously going to promote someone to the role of Black Panther. It's expressly a legacy title in-universe, so it can easily be passed on to a different character in the wake of Boseman's passing. The sure money was Shuri, but that's become less popular of a direction given certain things that have come out about Letitia Wright.

Nonetheless, Nakia, Okoye, and M'baku exist and are well-liked. And they might still use Shuri; It wouldn't be the first time Marvel ignored the fandom and did something tone-deaf.

The obvious elephant in the room is the destruction of the Heart-Shaped Herbs in the first film, which seems ironically shortsighted in retrospect. But nothing's stopping them from just writing an out for that. Maybe someone had some seeds and they were able to cultivate more Herbs from those. Maybe they'll discover a wild patch of Herbs halfway through the movie in some secluded corner of Wakanda. There are always answers that can be written.

I bet you money that not having a Black Panther will be a major point of conflict for the first half of the movie, and then someone will become Black Panther just in time for the third act climax.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 2nd 2022 at 6:33:23 AM

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