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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#143351: Jun 27th 2022 at 9:43:26 PM

[up][up]Don't you mean himodok? Eh...Eh... tough crowd...

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#143352: Jun 28th 2022 at 5:44:56 AM

Shit, Wayne Knight. A grotesque, deformed, murderous Newman would be HILARIOUS.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#143353: Jun 29th 2022 at 6:38:31 PM

Huh so it turns out Drax’s dumbness here may be attributed to his 90’s characterization which due to a botched resurrection had as a dim witted brute with a childish temper…… basically a Space Hulk.

Before that since his creation in the 70’s he was a fairly intelligent character and then in 2006 the Annihilation era retooled him back to being intelligent via once again dying and then being resurrected this time with all his mental facilities regained.

So stupid Drax is quite the specific phase for the character. Presumably it was picked so he could be the teams Hulk so to speak.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#143354: Jun 29th 2022 at 8:56:24 PM

Drax being stupid is Flanderization. In the first GotG he's reckless and Literal-Minded, but not an idiot. He only goes full dumbass from Vol. 2 onward.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#143355: Jun 29th 2022 at 8:59:53 PM

In the first one he drunk-dialed Ronan.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#143356: Jun 29th 2022 at 9:13:37 PM

I don't really remember Drax being stupid in GOTG 2, just laid back and eccentric.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#143357: Jun 29th 2022 at 9:14:47 PM

Comparatively Annhilation era Drax is actually quite calculating, being willing to bide his time until the right moment to strike.

He aligned himself with Rixhard Rider and co, waiting for the perfect opportunuty to find Thanos and when he found it he snagged it without a moment's hestiation, hising it well enough that only Cammi really noticed his intentions.

By comparison, Movie Drax is very much more of a hot-headed brute.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to.
#143358: Jun 29th 2022 at 10:44:04 PM

I rewatched both Guardians of the Galaxy movies about a week ago, and yeah, Drax didn't exactly get stupider but was framed in a more comedic way. Funnily enough though, I feel Drax had more moments of rashness and literal mindedness in the first movie with the literal thinking becoming more like bluntness. But that was balanced by him having more weight in the first movie's story. He is still important in the second movie, but a lot less focus is placed on him since he wasn't as relevant to the themes of the movie as the others were.

Don't catch you slippin' now.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143359: Jun 29th 2022 at 11:10:13 PM

Drax is less of an idiot in the second movie since he still remembers how badly his rash idiocy backfired in the first movie. He's more laid back and comedic as a result. Though Mantis' breakdown upon reading his emotions makes it very clear that his pain over the deaths of his family is still there. He has just learned to make peace with it.

It's telling that Drax becoming a sillier character is a positive change for him.

Edited by M84 on Jun 30th 2022 at 2:11:31 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#143360: Jun 29th 2022 at 11:48:25 PM

In the first GOTG, the "doesn't understand metaphors" thing let Drax have a lot of comedic Team Dumb Guy moments, without necessarily being dumb. 'Cause the idea wasn't that he was too dumb to understand metaphors, but that his species has no concept of metaphors, so it's really more of a culture clash thing.

They mostly dropped the extreme literalness after the first movie, which leaves Drax's Team Dumb Guy moments coming from what seems to be actual stupidity (like insisting no one can see him, even as he stands right in front of them eating a chip).

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#143361: Jul 1st 2022 at 11:56:45 AM

Remember the jokes/memes about why didn't the Avengers have Scott Lang shrink down and go up Thanos's butt and expand?

Well Disney kinda addressed that question.

Through their cruise liners.

I'm not joking.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#143362: Jul 1st 2022 at 12:33:17 PM

Okay so, bets on them acknowledging the meme again in Ant-Man 3?

Dictionaryman616 Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#143363: Jul 1st 2022 at 3:05:17 PM

The Boys (2019) references this indirectly with the use of knock-off characters. Ant-Man 3 could reference this, but it might be a small drawn Easter Egg like how a homeless man drew Sanic in Sonic The Hedgehog.

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#143364: Jul 2nd 2022 at 9:58:10 AM

Amazing news, a character from Black Panther 2 has been given a poster that proves a lot of rumors.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/vpu8fi/first_look_at_attuma_an_atlantean_from_wakanda/

Sincerely S Awatching.
Dictionaryman616 Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#143365: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:00:44 AM

Didn't realize.

Edited by Dictionaryman616 on Jul 2nd 2022 at 1:08:46 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#143366: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:01:45 AM

Spoil tag that

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#143367: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:12:35 AM

Yea, that pretty much confirmes that Namor is in.

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#143368: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:18:25 AM

I hear there based on Mesoamerican. Knowing this now I am even more sad about Chadwick's passing. It would have been so epic just to see the Black Panther go up against Namor.

Edited by SAwatching on Jul 2nd 2022 at 7:24:51 PM

Sincerely S Awatching.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#143369: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:19:35 AM

Well, I can’t say I’m not disappointed, but as long as the movie’s good I suppose it’ll be okay.

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#143371: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:25:58 AM

Still hard to muster any excitement since Black Panther is not gonna be in it.

Hmmmmh still deciding whether I'll watch it or not.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#143372: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:38:26 AM

We still have no idea who exactly the lead of this movie is gonna be. They might be able to make this a good movie on its own merits but I just dont see it being a satisfying followup to the forst one without T'challa.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#143373: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:44:12 AM

Spoiler speculation

wild mass guessNamor is going to flood Wakanda,that fiend!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#143374: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:52:01 AM

Huh that seems likely actually, take Wakanda out of play or at least downplay them for future stories.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#143375: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:57:17 AM

The refusal to recast T'Challa was certainly good PR for Marvel but I wonder if they regret it. Black Panther without Black Panther is always a hard sell.

That said more time for the supporting cast to shine and I'm sure you can get a lot of interesting material out of them.


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