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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143201: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:18:40 AM

The comics-panel effects were interesting, but aside from that the movie wasn't that great.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#143202: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:19:44 AM

I don't understand how The Professor is meant to even be a different character from Bruce Banner, surely they are the same conciousness just as the Professor his body is hulked out?

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#143203: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:21:40 AM

iirc that was initially what Professor Hulk was, just Bruce Banner in control of Hulk's body. At some point it was revealed (retconned?) that professor wasan intelligent alternative personality of the hulk that was separate from all the others for some reason.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jun 22nd 2022 at 2:22:10 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#143204: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:29:20 AM

Strange twist to pull, but sure I guess canon can just roll with that.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#143205: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:31:06 AM

As far as the MCU's concerned I think Hulk body with Bruce's brain is what they'll stick to. I think even calling him Professor Hulk in Endgame is a fan thing.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#143206: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:45:47 AM

I've brought it up before but the easiest way to actually put that back into focus would be to have him regress. Make him need to tap into the rage again, make him lose control, maybe even take advantage to shatter him further so you get all the different personas.

It's one of those things I'm fine with because Professor Hulk is a plateau, both in terms of power ABC in terms of character development. Without that instability he's just The Big Guy in a universe with several other strong tough dudes.

That said yeah it is pretty telling how much Moon Knight leans into that aesthetic though it's a very easy thing to differentiate, between the Marc/Steven/Jake system and either the Jekyll & Hyde with Banner and Hulk or the full-on mess of all the personals. The Immortal Hulk would honestly be a good source to mine for that.

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#143207: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:01:19 AM

iirc that was initially what Professor Hulk was, just Bruce Banner in control of Hulk's body. At some point it was revealed (retconned?) that professor wasan intelligent alternative personality of the hulk that was separate from all the others for some reason.

That's what the comics do with all previous runs of the Hulk, once a new writer with a new interpretation for the character takes over. The current Hulk just becomes a named Hulksona that can be referenced as a separate entity by later writers.

The Hulk collects variant identities the way Tony Stark collects suits, and they're used pretty much the same way.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:01:47 AM

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#143208: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:07:56 AM

Bruce: “alright, time for a house party! Dammit Joe, shoes off the couch!”

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#143209: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:10:04 AM

She Hulk is just lucky there's just her

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143210: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:11:52 AM

She does occasionally go "Savage" (and at one point "Gray") but even then it's still her. It's not straight up a different personality.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#143211: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:13:40 AM

Yeah I think she just gets mad

Even the Savage portrayal in Avengers the comic made it clear that bigger buffer She Hulk was still Jen, just angrier and having a harder time articulating

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#143212: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:14:52 AM

[up]×5

But it was the same writer that introduced the Professor Hulk that did that.

Edited by Cortez on Jun 22nd 2022 at 10:25:04 AM

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#143213: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:16:16 AM

In so many ways Professor Hulk just wouldn’t last long term

Not least of which is that it intended to “fix” Bruce forever

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#143214: Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:03:41 AM

I find it funny that Professor Hulk is kinda like this science adventure hero. A sort of Jack of all Trades Hulk where he may not be as strong as Savage Hulk but is still strong enough that that plus his high intelligence makes him a force to be reckoned with.

But movie Professor kinda comes across as rather lethargic, almost passive. Like doing stuff is too much work for him even if it’s just a little bit of smashing. His movements are slower even, which is why he comes across as appearing really weak.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#143215: Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:04:31 AM

But since MCU Bruce can only ever be a supporting character, not the headliner, him getting his shit together and just being the fun uncle of the superhero community: that could stick.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#143216: Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:10:59 AM

RE the note about Moon Knight on the last page, I was giving it some thought and really does have weight beyond a surface level.

Because the idea of Marc having the different personalities before he gets his powers, and being tied to parental abuse are pretty frequently used elements of Banner's characterization.

And although Moon Knight didn't make this link explicit as of yet, it seems to frame a seemingly Ax-Crazy and "evil" personality as really being a childhood protector, along the lines of the "Devil Hulk" in some comics.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#143217: Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:12:23 AM

I'm just glad that MCU decided not to get silly with the Hulk's strength.

Sometimes, I just feel like several writers simply use the character as their platform to concoct Beyond the Impossible feat contests or to beat up other characters they dislike.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#143218: Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:21:43 AM

Its not like they've done much strength feats in general with anyone else.

Thor is also a regular beyond the impossible dude and he gets his ass kicked more often than not.

Everyone here is really nerfed. Not much great feats of strength to behold.

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DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#143219: Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:49:35 AM

[up]*2. And honestly, "Hulk is the strongest there is", is a phrase that many writers and fans take too literally.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#143220: Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:51:19 AM

The only time "Hulk does Beyond the Impossible shit with his strength" worked for me was in Immortal Hulk, and Hulk's eldritch strength was very much played for horror in that. The "strongest one there is" phrase actually becomes incredibly ominous in the context of that series. It's not a good thing.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#143221: Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:57:19 AM

Though in this case we get weak Hulk who doesn't do anything strong.

So it's kind of the opposite extreme there amusingly enough.

Honestly it's kinda worse. At least the strongest there is stuff has Hulk doing shit, but here he doesn't do anything cool so he's just puny and forgettable.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#143222: Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:57:20 AM

And, while that has only tangentially to do with the character itself, certain Hulk fanboys are pretty much on par with the more obnoxious part of DBZ fans when it comes to "My favorite character can beat up yours!"

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DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#143223: Jun 22nd 2022 at 12:01:39 PM

A little off-topic, but apparently Doctor Strange 2 takes place between No Way Home and Hawkeye.

Edited by DarthNoxIsCool on Jun 22nd 2022 at 12:01:49 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#143224: Jun 22nd 2022 at 12:12:29 PM

[up] But...how? Didn't No Way Home end at Christmas? There's no snow in Sacred Timeline New York in Multiverse of Madness, so that seems weird.

Unless MoM takes place in November in which, man that's a quick turnaround to go from solving Peter's shit to going to Christine's wedding and then dealing with the events of that film...

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uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#143225: Jun 22nd 2022 at 12:12:50 PM

Yea I get not wanting the power levels to go out of controll but Im kinda struggeling to recal when MCU Hulk did anything remotely impressive compared to other powerfull MCU characters.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jun 22nd 2022 at 9:17:14 PM


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