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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#143051: Jun 15th 2022 at 12:03:39 AM

the Ronan stand-in is another, weaker version of Kang.

Rama-Tut's time to shine!

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#143052: Jun 15th 2022 at 12:06:02 AM

I feel like I've mentioned before how Kang could be an accidental allegory for COVID-19, given how when you seemingly have stopped it, a new variant takes its place that's even more dangerous, and requires more precaution against.

Kang being a servant to a more powerful Kang definitely fits in that department. And if He Who Remains is a stand-in for Saddam Hussein...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#143053: Jun 15th 2022 at 1:07:22 AM

There is a rumor that the High evolutionary is in Guardians of the Galaxy. That is an interesting villain.

I like looking at leaks or rumors because they get me excited and you just check off which one is real or false. I do prefer plot points and characters who are going to appear, not the whole plot before it airs.

Edited by SAwatching on Jun 15th 2022 at 10:14:18 AM

Sincerely S Awatching.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#143054: Jun 15th 2022 at 3:55:51 AM

> And if He Who Remains is a stand-in for Saddam Hussein...

what?

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#143055: Jun 15th 2022 at 4:00:41 AM

[up][up][up]How did you get from "an allegory for Covid-19" to Saddam Hussein stand in. I have genuenly no idea what Im supposed to take from that.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jun 15th 2022 at 1:01:33 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#143056: Jun 15th 2022 at 6:20:28 AM

I'm blaming the heat

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#143057: Jun 15th 2022 at 8:05:48 AM

...Okay, I might have had a few drinks last night.

That said, I sometimes like to look into things a little too much, even when I'm sober. I blame reading too much about Star Wars and trying to apply that franchise's allegorical logic here.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#143058: Jun 15th 2022 at 8:16:33 AM

So we should all get vaccinated against Saddam Hussein, got it. tongue

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#143059: Jun 15th 2022 at 8:25:36 AM

[up] ...Yes! Let's do it! The more variants of him that keep coming, the more danger we're all in!

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jun 15th 2022 at 8:26:37 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#143060: Jun 15th 2022 at 8:35:42 AM

... I'm still a bit curious about the Sadaam Hussein comparison.

With Kang, there's a couple of different appearances I'd like to see:

  • As a mild-mannered bureaucrat-type calling himself Victor Timely - Either as a TVA Agent or else how he will be introduced in Quantumania. I'm basing this partly on the fact that Bill Murray has the look of that type of character and is also appearing in the movie.
  • As Rama-Tut in something set in the past (maybe Eternals or Wenwu related). Or else, being name-dropped in Moon Knight.
  • As the Scarlet Centurion in Guardians/Captain Marvel/something else "cosmic".

Edited by Hodor2 on Jun 15th 2022 at 8:35:53 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#143061: Jun 15th 2022 at 9:26:48 AM

[up] The reason I saw a bit of Hussein in He Who Remains specifically is that both of them were incredibly selfish, horrible people who nonetheless were important in keeping certain things in line. Once both of them died, things devolve into complete chaos, and people are left stuck in the aftermath of something they weren't fully prepared for.

In terms of those appearances, I think those would be dope to see. Kang could appear as all three of those things in various installments, and it would be a neat way of putting him in places where other heroes may learn about and/or encounter him. As of right now, only Loki and the Pym family are confirmed to be facing him, but those other two ideas could open a doorway for the Eternals, Shang-Chi, Moon Knight and Captain Marvel to fight him.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jun 15th 2022 at 9:27:06 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#143062: Jun 15th 2022 at 10:04:36 AM

But what does he have to do with COVID?

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#143063: Jun 15th 2022 at 10:14:27 AM

[up]

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/kang_meme.jpeg

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#143064: Jun 15th 2022 at 12:51:39 PM

I'm not seeing the comparison other than using the word "variant".

COVID variants are a disease rapidly evolving to resist medicine. Kang's variants are all warring with each other to supplant each other's rule. They're not the same.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#143065: Jun 15th 2022 at 12:57:40 PM

Ya know I like how Kang is used whenever someone time travels.

In the current Venom run for instance, Eddie having become a God is capapable of time traveling by possessing any symbiote on the timeline, and winds up in the 602nd century where he meets Kang.

Who proceeds to tell him this wasn't their first meeting, he met Eddie previously thousands of years ago who told him to prepare for this moment.

It's always so trippy.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2022 at 1:02:34 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#143066: Jun 15th 2022 at 1:45:37 PM

[up][up] Yeah, but Kang's variants are also fighting against heroes who are trying to subvert their rule as well. And some variants are more dangerous than others, no?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#143067: Jun 15th 2022 at 2:12:22 PM

I think you're reaching harder than Michael Jordan at the end of Space Jam, personally, but okay.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#143068: Jun 15th 2022 at 2:21:32 PM

I'm a swimmer. Reaching is part of how I do freestyle every day. And my whole life is freestyle, for better or for worse.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#143069: Jun 15th 2022 at 3:10:12 PM

It's not quite as bad a take as "Killmonger is an example of Nobody To Nightmare", but it's still up there.

Best to probably move on.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#143070: Jun 15th 2022 at 3:39:13 PM

[up] Wait, how is he not?

To quote the trope on his page:

"From a random kid from Oakland to one of the best soldiers in the US Navy SEAL's to temporary King of Wakanda, having bested T'Challa in combat."

Edited by Forenperser on Jun 15th 2022 at 12:39:38 PM

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BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#143071: Jun 15th 2022 at 3:45:08 PM

Today's Ms. Marvel episode contained the first reference to the Eternals outside of their own film, but it wasn't anything to do with the colossal petrified Celestial in the Indian Ocean or anything like that, it was a reference to Kingo's acting career. I find that pretty funny.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#143072: Jun 15th 2022 at 3:46:03 PM

And it also makes sense.

The legend has returned.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#143073: Jun 15th 2022 at 3:51:14 PM

[up][up][up]He was born a prince to one of the most powerful and advanced nations on earth, graduated from USNA and MIT then he worked his way to a legendary reputation in an elite Spec Force group.

Even if he had never come to Wakanda, he wouldn't have had an ordinary life because he's not an ordinary person.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#143074: Jun 15th 2022 at 3:54:14 PM

Huh I just now thought of a villain that could appear in Captain Marvel 2, the Vox

Introduced in the Death of the Inhumans book, they are a brand new creation of super soldiers of the Kree. A new race called the Super-Inhumans created to wipe out and kowtow the Inhumans on Earth.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/vox_8.png

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#143075: Jun 15th 2022 at 4:04:07 PM

What an edgy design

Perfectly fine for a design I guess but eyebrow raising from the Kree

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 15th 2022 at 7:04:36 AM

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

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