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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I agree that introducing Mystique as the main antagonist of The Marvels is a really good idea. She's a very different kind of villain than the Cree, Rogue and her interesting powerset make for a compelling physical confrontation, plus redeeming Rogue potentially would make for a good emotional conflict that meshes well with the arcs we got in the first movie, and would lastly make a good gateway for both of them to appear further into the MCU.
That said, my other number one hope for The Marvels' villain is MODOK.
A non-Flying Brick Rogue could take inspiration from X-Men: Evolution. They found ways for her to use her draining powers creatively but not in evil ways.
One shouldn't forget that Rogue's power draining is actually incredibly dangerous for the person being drained. If the contact is longer than a few seconds there's a real chance the person can fall into a coma or even die. That's what happened to Carol Danvers in the comics and why Rogue had her Flying Brick powers for a long time.
Rogue doesn't just drain powers and memories from someone. She drains their everything.
And it was only until fairly recently in the comics that she was able to control it. For most of her comics history she drained anyone she touched whether she liked it or not.
Edited by M84 on Jun 12th 2022 at 7:59:52 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThe comics go back and forth with her a lot. Sometimes she can control it, sometimes she can't. I remember there was a period once where she could actually recall powersets, giving her permanent access to the abilities of every character she's ever drained - which, by that point, was practically anyone who is anyone in the X-Men franchise. Making her into more of a power mimic than her typical vampiric powerset.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Isn't Rogue super beyond the whole "can't touch people" thing and it's just the multitude of animated series that keep bringing the character back to having that problem? And the movies, too, I guess?
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Just like spider-man adaptations keep putting him back in high school despite that he has been an adult for decades already in the comics who has even run his own company, it's hard to move away from something when people identify you with it so strongly, that's also most people will always know Dick Grayson more as robin than as Nightwing.
Edited by Kiobi20 on Jun 12th 2022 at 9:27:44 AM
I think that's the benefit of a popular Legacy Character / otherwise younger character though; the status quo is forced to move to make room for them and eventually public perception should too. To use ^ as an example, the other Batboys have steadily grown in popularity since the 90s and regularly show up in adaptations now, so if Dick is present, he defaults to older Nightwing so one of the other boys can be Robin.
Give Miles enough clout and we'll see the end of the "Peter in high school" default, I think.
Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 12th 2022 at 11:56:45 AM
So what I'm hearing is, Marvel needs to introduce a new young mutant with uncontrollable powers that hurt people, who Rogue can then become a mentor to. And then the adaptations will eat it up.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So, I've got a thing that's on my mind that I wanted to ask you guys about.
As Phase 4 has been chugging along, I've noticed that Marvel seems more content to have its characters throw around the word "superhero" in-universe, even though they've never really done it before. While there are some moments where I think that's kinda neat (i.e: that Egyptian girl asking Layla if she's an Egyptian superhero in Moon Knight, and...well, basically everything regarding Kate Bishop and Kamala Khan), there are some people using it that kinda...irks me.
Like, is it me, or does it really feel unnatural to hear the likes of Doctor Strange, the Master of the Mystic Arts and Thor, the God of Thunder to explicitly refer to themselves as superheroes? It feels like it kinda cheapens their mystical or reverent titles just so they can lump themselves in with other characters. I get the public or more street-level characters referring them as such, but Strange and Thor calling themselves that...kinda rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
Anyone feel the same and/or differently?
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Strange calls himself a superhero during Christine's wedding in Multiverse of Madness, and Thor states that his "super-heroing days are over" in the first teaser
for Love and Thunder.
To me, Stark calling himself a superhero made sense, since he was mocking the idea of it, and also is that kind of casual person who would probably call himself and others superheroes in this setting.
I'm not sure if Thor has even heard the word "superhero" before, and given his status as a literal god, I feel like he'd find it quite demeaning.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Okay, fair enough, but Doctor Strange though? Does a master wizard consider himself a superhero?
It'd be like if everyone in Harry Potter is also classified a superhero since they happen to be able to use magic. Or the Jedi because they can make things move around and use laser swords. Maybe I'm overthinking things, but it feels like I'm opening up an umbrella, and seeing who fits the archetype and who doesn't. Though that's probably a whole other can of worms.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."The MCU's in the same boat as the comics at this point. It's been going on long enough that writers feel comfortable just having characters throw around the terms "superhero" and "supervillain" in-universe, despite the fact that these are ultimately extremely nebulous concepts that describe characters' roles within the fiction rather than real terminology with adequately defined meanings.
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I don't know, making Rogue unafraid to drain people sort of takes away a large part of what the character is. The whole Blessed with Suck / Cursed with Awesome thing. Yeah she can get access to people's powers. She also gets their thoughts and memories and if she's draining bad people that's not good.
There's a reason draining people is a last resort.
Edited by dcutter2 on Jun 12th 2022 at 6:08:21 PM