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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
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#142901: Jun 10th 2022 at 4:11:15 AM

The original draft for Black Widow did have a more comic accurate take on Taskmaster. The reasoning for the reetool was apparently because the original character didnt tie enough into Natashas story.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#142902: Jun 10th 2022 at 4:16:03 AM

Tangentially, I get that Taskmaster is really more about emotional catharsis and redemption for Natasha in the final scene.

But... I really wish they'd had an epic action scene at some point where Natasha cleans their clock. Like 'You know all the Avengers moves? so do I.' and takes her part because Natasha's been analysising all her friends techniques for years. (You wouldn't even need to imply Nat can take down the other Avengers because they would adapt and shift their technique if she tried but Taskmaster is just working off canned, copied routines)

I've never read comics Taskmaster so it probably doesn't work that way with him.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#142903: Jun 10th 2022 at 5:35:45 AM

The more I think about it the more ideas I come up with in terms of turning Antonia Dreykov into a proper Taskmaster. She goes into mercenary work because her only skillset involves killing and she doesn't know where else to put it. Maybe she's a Punch-Clock Villain precisely because she's only in it for the work, or maybe she's prioritizing the money to help out her fellow Widows in some way. The movie already very subtly implies that her Power Copying tech works off an innate talent - easy to show her actually having a photographic memory/reflexes and maybe she even is something of a mimic overall. And her personality is a complete blank slate, and you can justify anything as a combination of her true personality finally getting a chance to breathe and her reacting to the years of abuse.

Fixing Taskmaster honestly isn't that complicated, it just requires a bit of lateral thinking to connect the dots the right way.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#142905: Jun 10th 2022 at 6:05:55 AM

I don't really want Deadpool in to be explicitly in the MCU. I liked him being in his own continuity where he could piss take everything with impunity.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142906: Jun 10th 2022 at 6:17:05 AM

[up][up][up]I'm on board with that. Juxtapose the fact that she has to work as a mercenary because it's the only way she has to make a living with the other fact that she's learning how to be a person after years of being enslaved by her father as his personal enforcer. She still lives that life by necessity, but at least she's learning how to do it on her own terms.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#142907: Jun 10th 2022 at 7:14:45 AM

[up][up]That's why I do want him in the MCU. I'd love the idea of him pointing out the absurdities and canon characters reacting to his oddness.

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#142908: Jun 10th 2022 at 7:24:00 AM

Deadpool piss-taking everything with impunity is exactly why we need him in the MCU: to provide setups for his piss-takes.

He can't make cracks about Peter at least not selling his marriage to Satan to buy his retcon in this version or ask Scott why he didn't just do the butt thing without someone or something provoking his commentary. He needs to interact with characters to get those opportunities.

Deadpool is also the easiest acquired character to canonize in the MCU because being purchased by Disney can literally be the explanation for why he's here now.

  • Wade: Oh, hold on, Disney said I have to read this. (pulls out actual movie script) Uh, I was traveling through time to save my girlfriend and Quantum Realm something something, you get the picture. (tosses it) I think it has something to do with Spider-Man.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 10th 2022 at 7:29:25 AM

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#142909: Jun 10th 2022 at 7:29:55 AM

^ Yeah he can make cracks about all of that from another continuity. Just like he already cracked mcu jokes and references in the first two films.

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#142910: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:16:51 AM

Fixing Taskmaster honestly isn't that complicated, it just requires a bit of lateral thinking to connect the dots the right way.

I still don't get why they'd go back to Taskmaster when we already have Echo who is more established, is getting her own series, and basically has the exact same powers. Bringing back Taskmaster is a lot of extra exposition to get a similar but flatter result.

Given the miniseries, it sounds to me like Echo is getting more setup for a reason anyway.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142911: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:22:06 AM

Because Echo is, in fact, a completely different character. They just have similar powers.

It'd essentially be like going "We already have Captain Marvel, who flies, so we don't need Nova as he also flies."

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#142912: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:26:29 AM

Or, more accurately, "We already have Iron Man, a smartass with sci-fi weapons. We don't need Star-Lord, a smartass with sci-fi weapons."

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#142913: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:26:38 AM

Sounds to me we can kill two birds with one stone and have Deadpool Vs Taskmaster movie.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#142914: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:27:43 AM

Deadpool and Taskmaster are good frenemies.

Deadpool even invited Tasky to his bachelor party.

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#142915: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:28:06 AM

  • Wade: What, no witty banter? Man, you're way less fun than your comic book counterpart. But that's okay, I get it. They did that to me too once.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 10th 2022 at 10:28:39 AM

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#142916: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:28:28 AM

Deadpool vs Spiderman plz

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#142917: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:29:29 AM

Deadpool: If I can become comic book accurate why not Tasky?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#142918: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:33:18 AM

Deadpool would probably mock the fans who desperate want a comic book accurate Task Master,before being reminded of how his first appearance was'nt anything like his comic book countpart

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#142919: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:37:00 AM

It'll be interesting to see if there are any fourth wall breaking moments in the She-Hulk show, since that's something that has precedent with the character, and could be a way of gauging how MCU fans respond to fourth wall jokes before doing anything with Deadpool.

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#142920: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:48:49 AM

Because Echo is, in fact, a completely different character. They just have similar powers.

I understand, but it seems like they're building up Echo for a reason. It'd be weird to pull a 180 and go back to a very similar character. It'd be like if after Captain Marvel, one of the Nova Corp people from GotG showed up and was just in Endgame as Nova and Captain Marvel was never mentioned.

Edited by MurlocAggroB on Jun 10th 2022 at 11:49:06 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142921: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:51:33 AM

I don't know how that tracks (as Echo and Taskmaster operate at a different level in narrative attention, i.e. "some guy who can copy moves" isn't as much of a world-shaking power as the flying brick types). If nothing else the fact they're introducing Echo would be more reason to get Taskmaster back in business so these two can meet and compare and contrast (either as allies or foes).

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#142922: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:53:12 AM

Sure. But if it's one or the other, then I think Echo makes more sense narratively.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142923: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:57:47 AM

They have really different occupations though.

Echo's more of a general vigilante while Tasky's whole thing is he's a mercenary up for any hire (except Nazi's, thats just a bad luck).

Which does make Tasky more of a utilitarian villain.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#142924: Jun 10th 2022 at 11:10:20 AM

It'll be interesting to see if there are any fourth wall breaking moments in the She-Hulk show, since that's something that has precedent with the character, and could be a way of gauging how MCU fans respond to fourth wall jokes before doing anything with Deadpool.

I've read somewhere online that there might be a part of the show where She-Hulk yells at Kevin Feige for some reason? It's just rumors, but I'd be cool with a gag like that.

Also, imagine just how much fun we could have if She-Hulk co-starred in Deadpool 3. We'd have two fourth wall breakers engaging in Snark-to-Snark Combat while beating the shit out of bad guys. Count me in!

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142925: Jun 10th 2022 at 11:10:51 AM

I see no reason it has to be one or the other. It just seems like an odd premise to me.

What this debate brought more to me is that I now do wish Echo faces Taskmaster in the show and we get essentially a photographic memory-based equivalent to a Shapeshifter Showdown.

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