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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#142876: Jun 9th 2022 at 4:35:26 PM

[up]You're talking about a movie that is over a year out. A little early to start doomposting, yeah?

Edited by ArthurEld on Jun 9th 2022 at 4:35:37 AM

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#142877: Jun 9th 2022 at 4:36:37 PM

Gotta get the doomsaying in early,you know?

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#142878: Jun 9th 2022 at 4:40:20 PM

Apologies. Twasn't my intent to doomsay. The Wanda thing was an after thought.

Over a year still. That's a long wait. The sequel gaps on some the later heroes are crazy.

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#142879: Jun 9th 2022 at 4:40:48 PM

A meditation on hype culture, nostalgia and cameos with regards to the MCU. Thought it’d be interesting.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Jun 9th 2022 at 4:41:02 AM

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#142881: Jun 9th 2022 at 4:59:57 PM

I'd have loved for AoS to get that nod.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jun 9th 2022 at 1:00:47 PM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#142882: Jun 9th 2022 at 6:16:59 PM

I'm not sure about Taskmaster and Winter Soldier though, especially since the former is basically a shittier copy of the latter

They might take the opportunity to make Taskmaster more in line with her comic book counterpart and have her be less serious.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#142883: Jun 9th 2022 at 6:22:06 PM

Personally I think making the Winter Soldier not a Soviet supersoldier but an agent of HYDRA, which had its tentacles in both the West and the East was a smart choice, as it underlines the very real fact that fascism is deeply rooted in the United States government and military and we're decades away from the Cold War being relevant.

Granted, Bucky was still sent on missions for the Soviet Union, like during the Korean War, but just not only for them.

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#142884: Jun 9th 2022 at 8:06:00 PM

A character from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was supposed to show up in Age of Ultron as well, IIRC. One of Coulson's team members, I think.

They keep almost acknowledging the show in the MCU and then somebody nixes it.

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#142885: Jun 9th 2022 at 8:07:46 PM

I guess that's because it puts the writers in the awkward position of "wait, do the Avengers know Coulson's alive or not?", something even Loki actively tried to dance around.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#142886: Jun 9th 2022 at 8:12:37 PM

I mean, they could probably have a cameo of a few of them without having anyone mention Coulson.

Although honestly, after a while, the fact that they were still trying so hard to keep that secret got a bit silly after a while.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142887: Jun 9th 2022 at 8:21:39 PM

As just another general thought, now that we've dabbled in horror with MOM, it dawned on me that whenever Omega Red enters the picture, he'd be perfect for a sci-fi horror approach to the MCU. One thing that could make this work is to get rid of the "death spores" (always kind of a ridiculous concept) and instead just make him a cannibal whose healing factor requires him to consume human flesh to keep it charged, and the poisoning from the carbonadium cybernetics means that he has to feed far more regularly to stave it off. An insane cannibalistic cyborg serial killer sounds like a great idea for a villain.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#142888: Jun 9th 2022 at 8:28:31 PM

[up]×2

Though i wonder if they just didn't want to acknowledge that Coulson came back from the dead.

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#142889: Jun 9th 2022 at 8:43:07 PM

They might take the opportunity to make Taskmaster more in line with her comic book counterpart and have her be less serious.

We kinda got a Truer to the Text version of Taskmaster in Hawkeye.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#142890: Jun 9th 2022 at 8:58:27 PM

Who Yelana?

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#142891: Jun 9th 2022 at 9:03:42 PM

[up][up] Do you mean Echo?

Although given that Echo has an upcoming show, it makes more sense to use her for a teamup series over a forgettable character that wasn't received very well.

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#142892: Jun 9th 2022 at 9:20:24 PM

No, that one Widow that Yelena was investigating when she got snapped. Her whole deal was that she had broken free of the programming and had put her Widow training to use as a mercenary.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 9th 2022 at 9:32:47 AM

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#142893: Jun 9th 2022 at 9:21:01 PM

That has next to nothing to do with Taskmaster aside from being a mercenary.

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#142894: Jun 9th 2022 at 9:22:26 PM

You need the whole package, the skull mask, the personality and the Ditto Fighter abilities.

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#142895: Jun 9th 2022 at 9:33:28 PM

Anyway, my point is that one scene makes it a lot more plausible that Taskmaster decided to become a mercenary after the events of Black Widow.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#142896: Jun 9th 2022 at 9:35:16 PM

It shouldn’t be that hard to course-correct. Dreykov mentioned she had a chip in her head; you could easily say that helps record fighting styles at the cost of slowly degrading any memories unrelated to combat or her immediate surroundings—which would also help explain her lack of animosity with Nat, if the “I hate the guy controlling me more than the lady who burned me” reasoning doesn’t work for you.

It’s not that big a leap to consider she became a mercenary, seeing how that was what the other Widows did [up] and the fact that killing is literally all she would remember under these circumstances. Enough years of freedom without the Red Room’s brainwashing reminding her of her traumatic origins, and she could easily transition into a greedy mercenary who lives for nothing more than the thrill of the fight.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142897: Jun 9th 2022 at 9:39:52 PM

I'd personally just make her character into the MCU'S Finesse and introduce that there had been a comic-like Taskmaster in the Red Room's earlier years but he left when he worked out what was being done to these girls, necessitating a replacement.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#142898: Jun 10th 2022 at 2:23:18 AM

As far as Comics-Thanos goes I think the closest was the Silver Surfer cartoon, in which the gimmmick is that he essentially alternates between whispering and screaming at random intervals and the point is more drawn that he's bugnuts.

Sorry this took a while, but it's weird hearing a more high-pitched Thanos after so many years of deep-voiced versions from adaptations.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142899: Jun 10th 2022 at 3:08:24 AM

Yeah, I think Taskmaster is going to become a mercenary because she has to make a living somehow and, like all the other Widows, she doesn't have a skillset that allows her to make a more traditional living, plus her disfigurements and the level of control she was under will make it even harder for her to adjust to living in normal society.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142900: Jun 10th 2022 at 3:39:04 AM

Hopefully if she does come back she gets a better costume.

And I don’t actually mean visually this time, the Taskmaster costume was quite the pain for the actress to wear.

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