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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#142676: Jun 3rd 2022 at 10:50:17 AM

The only character for me who sounded off in What If was Hawkeye... which is odd because that was Jeremy Renner.

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#142677: Jun 3rd 2022 at 11:11:51 AM

Tony Stark sounded off to me, but that's because of pattern recognition. More than any other actor/character combo in the MCU, RDJ defined Tony's voice. What that means is that while a lot of other characters will have actors give it their own take, everyone who voices Tony in other media is audibly trying their best to sound like RDJ.

I've heard a lot of attempts to imitate RDJ over the years, and have gotten kind of irritated at Faux RDJ voices. So I picked up on What If's instantly.

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#142678: Jun 3rd 2022 at 11:12:41 AM

So are the What If worlds actually animated in-universe or are they actually live-action in-universe, it's just that we see them as animated? In Doctor Strange MoM, we saw Stephen and America become animated when they went into the cartoon universe.

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#142679: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:00:02 PM

[up]X2: Yeah, What If...? used Mick Wingert as their RDJ substitute. He's done the exact performance on the late 2010s Marvel animated shows like Marvel's Spider-Man.

I'm surprised it wasn't Eric Loomis, who seemed like he was going to be the defacto soundalike starting with the Iron Man 2 video game and The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.


Deadline has a funny interview moment with Iman Vellani "defying" Kevin Fiege by insisting the MCU is still Earth-19999.

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#142680: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:09:36 PM

One of us! One of us!

In all seriousness, that alone has won back ten times the nerd points originally lost from the realization that we’re likely not getting a bird clone of Thomas Edison as the villain. Iman has immediately made herself my favorite newcomer for phase 4.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Jun 3rd 2022 at 5:13:11 AM

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#142682: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:14:03 PM

Given the numbers are from two entirely different sources, plus internally the MCU is clearly not part of the main multiverse just from Loki, I don't give a shit about the MCU using the 616 number.

Does everyone think Peter B Parker is comics Peter because the display said he was from 616 as well?

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#142683: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:17:07 PM

She speaks truthfully and righteously. She is the hope of the MCU.

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#142685: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:30:50 PM

the nerd points originally lost from the realization that we’re likely not getting a bird clone of Thomas Edison as the villain.

No comment but to note that insane sentences like this are why I love comic books.

Hopefully we do get The Inventor at some point. He's too wonderfully bonkers an idea for me to ever let go.

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#142686: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:31:40 PM

> In all seriousness, that alone has won back ten times the nerd points originally lost from the realization that we’re likely not getting a bird clone of Thomas Edison as the villain.

a clone of what and who now?

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#142687: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:43:15 PM

Why, The Inventor of course! He a cyborg bird-man scientist thing who claims to be a clone of Thomas Edison and is motivated by a hatred of young people. He was Kamala's first major bad guy.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:44:58 AM

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#142688: Jun 3rd 2022 at 3:08:50 PM

[up]...I've just learned of this character's existence 1 minute ago and I'm already pre-emptively lamenting the fact that he'll probably not make it into the show.

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#142689: Jun 3rd 2022 at 3:11:51 PM

Especially since Kamala doesn't have much of a rogues gallery.

I wonder who they are using in the show.

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#142690: Jun 3rd 2022 at 3:16:59 PM

She might pilfer Captain Marvel's rogues. Rogues' Gallery Transplant is a classic MCU maneuver (as it is also a classic maneuver of the comics).

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#142691: Jun 3rd 2022 at 3:20:19 PM

I'd be shocked if Becky St. Jude doesn't show up eventually, even if not necessarily in the first season. She's a pitch perfect Evil Counterpart, and is a character who would play fairly well in the current environment.

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#142692: Jun 3rd 2022 at 3:32:52 PM

I hope that, at the very least, the Inventor is used as a Greater-Scope Villain.

Imagine if during the course of the show the main villain drops the odd references to an associate/superior that we never see. Until the final post credit scene when a minor lacky is reporting on the ultimate failure of the villain's plot due to Ms. Marvel's actions to someone shrouded in shadows.

Then when they finish the explanation the figure steps out of the shadows to reveal that it is the Inventor, in all of his human-bird-man glory and says something ominous. No context or explanation is given for why the heck the Inventor is a bird man, the scene is treated just like a standard cliché greater scope villain introduction.

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#142693: Jun 3rd 2022 at 3:36:49 PM

Or it's Ivan Vanko's burd from Iron Man 2, who somehow had Thomas Edison's memories uploaded into its brain.

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#142694: Jun 3rd 2022 at 3:39:54 PM

We know they're using Kamran, although I'm not sure what his powers will be if he's not an inhuman.

Josh/Discord is the next most likely, he goes to school with the main characters and is Zoe's ex, it'd be weird if he didn't show up.

Becky's the one I want to see the most, although it'd be funny to see them adapt Canadian naruto onto the television.

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#142695: Jun 3rd 2022 at 3:54:41 PM

Huh I just now realized Kamala hasn't had a big ongoing since the tepid reactions to the Saladin Ahmed run which did a whole thing of Kamala getting a symbiote suit arc (the suit was a Kree invention, it wasn't a Klyntar).

Since then its been mini-series with the last one being Beyond the Limit and the upcoming one being a series of team-up one-shots featuring Kamala teaming up with a new hero including the X-Men, Moon Knight, and Venom.

Wonder when she'll get a new ongoing.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 3rd 2022 at 3:54:50 AM

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#142696: Jun 3rd 2022 at 4:09:40 PM

Found this neat theory that ties America Chavez to He Who Remains.

If she does end up being the ultimate monkey wrench in his grand plan, that would be a very interesting way of connecting Loki's multiversal shenanigans with Doctor Strange's.

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#142697: Jun 3rd 2022 at 4:21:57 PM

Can we keep Dr Strange 2 spoilers out of the main thread, or at least spoiler tag them?

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#142698: Jun 3rd 2022 at 4:44:27 PM

Or it's Ivan Vanko's burd from Iron Man 2, who somehow had Thomas Edison's memories uploaded into its brain.

Well, The Avengers Prelude: Fury's Big Week actually establishes that the burd died, but maybe they could retcon that. If they can then I want it to happen.

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#142699: Jun 3rd 2022 at 5:18:11 PM

Huh I just now realized Kamala hasn't had a big ongoing since the tepid reactions to the Saladin Ahmed run which did a whole thing of Kamala getting a symbiote suit arc (the suit was a Kree invention, it wasn't a Klyntar).

Jeez, does everybody have to get a "they get a symbiote suit" story over at Marvel?

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#142700: Jun 3rd 2022 at 5:33:11 PM

Someone heard that Kamala was the modern day Spider Man and went hard

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