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I could see her being like Black Widow and wanting to do good to counteract the bad

Which mostly means doing the same stuff but under a different org

Which is how the Dark Avengers would be sold to her.

I'm still putting my money on her and Blonsky being visited by Valentina at some point. Blonsky moreso, given he's coming back relatively soon.

She'll probably approach a few people we haven't seen yet as well. Daken or Creed instantly come to mind, though Daken is far more likely. Ares also sounds like a reasonable bet if he survives Gorr's pogrom. Whiplash is also a possibility, since he's not explicitly dead.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 28th 2022 at 10:56:12 AM

I highly, highly doubt a Greek god would allow themselves to be hired by a lowly mortal. They're literally light-years away from each other, and someone like Ares being on her team would tonally clash with the rest of the Dark Avengers if they're supposed to be a more covert group of characters focused on espionage.

Whiplash would be a neat idea, but considering how much Mickey Rourke hates Marvel now, I wouldn't count on it.

Who are Daken and Creed? I haven't heard of those guys. Unless we're talking about Sabretooth...

Edited by MatthewWayne on May 28th 2022 at 11:04:14 AM

Ares has been on the Dark Avengers in the past, as has Daken, and yes, I am talking about Sabretooth. Daken is Logan's bastard son who he has an extremely contentious relationship with (and is also a garbage human being).

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 28th 2022 at 11:06:30 AM

I like the idea of Ghost showing up with the Thunderbolts / Masters of Evil as The Mole, spending most of the film looking as though she’s on the Big Bad’s side (maybe the excuse is the Big Bad claims to be able to cure her) only to - psych! - have been helping the good guys all along.

Generally, if they do the Thunderbolts’ plot (that is, a bunch of villains in false identities pretend to be a new hero team as part of an Evil Plan, only for half of them to decide they like being heroes and rebel) imo the team composition should be something like this:

• 1: The main character, a criminal who is at first on board with the plan but changes over the story and becomes a hero. This should be Songbird, no question.
• 2: The Big Bad.
• 3: A complete asshole who is obviously on board with the plan from day one and never wavers. The Dragon or The Heavy.
• 4: A character, perhaps a faux love interest or some other inherently sympathetic role, who the main character becomes close to. When the main character switches sides they believe this character will join them, but instead - surprise subversion! - they commit to the plan and turn on them.
• 5: A more experienced character than the main who is inspires them to be better: with the plan, but a Token Good Teammate who is only on because they have no choice (or is a mole: this is the role I’d see Ghost in).

That leaves the roles 2 vs 3 for heroes and villains at the end of the story, so the ones who switch sides remain underdogs. If em they wanted it an even 3 vs 3, they could add this:

• 6: A character who is the opposite of role 4: committed to the plan at first and set in their ways, but the main character convinces them to change.

Most, but not all, of the characters should be existing villains. At least a couple, 1 of course and maybe 4, should be newbies with fresh perspective.

Funnily enough, it occurs to me that if they weren’t sure they wanted Zemo to do the Big Bad thing in Thunderbolts (since F&WS establishes that he’d rather just kill off supervillains), it would be a great idea for MCU Mysterio.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 28th 2022 at 11:59:06 AM

I do hope next time we see Ghost she picks up more of her comic self's quirks and becomes a gross freaky little weirdo.

Be really funny and nauseating to get the Ghost that vomits in their helmet and doesn’t clean it out.

Edited by slimcoder on May 28th 2022 at 12:28:29 PM

I wholly advocate for grimy gremlin Ghost as well.

She's already got the nasty-ass teeth, might as well go all-in on the lack of basic hygiene.

I see the Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers being totally separate and also functioning very different. I strongly suspect that the end of Season 2 of The Punisher was hinting at the Thunderbolts; Madani called Frank to try and recruit him for assassination jobs and he declined, so the most logical step from there would be to go to imprisoned supervillains and offer them amnesty in exchange for doing wetworks jobs. The Dark Avengers seem to be what Valentina is setting up; a team of villains, disgraced heroes, and vulnerable people who will look like an official Avengers group, but act to undermine them and further HYDRA's goals.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 28th 2022 at 12:07:04 PM

Yeah, I’d agree on the first part.

I’m not convinced the Valentina thing is leading up to the Dark Avengers, but even if I’m wrong about that I don’t want the Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers to be the same thing, since they’re two very different ideas that come with their own distinct, equally worthwhile plots.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 28th 2022 at 12:10:35 PM

I can imagine they have to go with the original Thunderbolts concept.

Cause later versions of the series literally is just a Marvek version if the Suicide Squad.

So the original "Villains dress up as heroes and find redemption" is a lot more original now.

This scene is hilarious

Imagine you just go to a random planet and captured a subject for study, only for said subject to actually be one of the most powerful beings on the planet..... and then another one shows up

What's even more funny is that Korg did not encounter a single natural human, he left assuming Earth is populated with guys like Thor and Bill.

Edited by slimcoder on May 28th 2022 at 11:49:13 AM

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I also love those bits when characters respect each other and are aware of each other's history.

"Hulk. I know of you. The halls of Asgard echo with tales of your rage."

"They ain't heard nothing yet."

This exchange says everything about these characters.

A video essay about Dr Strange's arc in his first movie, focused primarily on the "It's not about you" scene with the Ancient One.

I wonder why they didn't used Silver surfer like the original comic.

It was the Fox rights issue.

Silver Surfer is a Fantastic Four character so Fox owned him appearances of him so they used Bill in place of him.

Edited by slimcoder on May 29th 2022 at 6:59:53 AM

Yup, which is why they had to wait until 2022 to really start using them.

No, the rights issues didn't affect animation. Fox only held the live-action film rights. Notably, Wolverine was a major character for at least one of those movies.

In fact, Hulk himself was tied up in similar rights issues to the Fantastic Four. Universal owned the distribution rights to the character's live-action exploits and sued following Incredible Hulk.

That's why Hulk became a permanent guest-star. Marvel could use the character all they wanted, but if they made Hulk movies, they'd have to cede distribution and a cut of the film's take to Universal.

I know there was a special feature on the DVD of Planet Hulk that explained why they used Bill instead of Surfer, but I can't remember what the reason was.

One wonders why they cared . They let Sony make Spidey movies but then they can use Hulk without making solo movies, they have to let Sony make spidey movies to use him in group movie.

Still it's sad that they don't make Hulk movies just because they'd be... slightly less profitable.

I like Thor Ragnarok but it will always remain a huge shame that the Planet Hulk storyline got cut up and repurposed into a Thor story with Hulk demoted to a secondary character.

With all the other stuff like the Wordlbreaker/Sakaarson prophecy, and the Sakaar cast like Caiera, the rest of the Warbound, and the Red King got cut.

We can always hope for a more accurate adaptation in the future when the MCU's done.

Planet Hulk would function as a prequel to Thor: Ragnarok, depicting how Bruce Banner arrived on Sakaar and how the Hulk became the star of the gladiatorial games.