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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142551: May 24th 2022 at 1:36:29 PM

[up]x9 Granted Val once enslaved Thor, is generally unrepentant about it, and their entire relationship stems from Thor being desperate for some kind of help and Val happening to be a random Asgardian he found despite also being said slaver.

And Jane is his ex who broke up with him for vague reasons.

Let’s be real here, neither are his friends. Korg is more of a friend than those 2, at least he’s never enslaved or broke Thor’s heart.

Edited by slimcoder on May 24th 2022 at 1:41:20 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#142552: May 24th 2022 at 1:39:24 PM

Thor also has a huge crush on the concept of the Valkyries and she was the last one

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#142553: May 24th 2022 at 3:52:22 PM

[up][up] I assumed the Jane/Thor breakup was a simple case of "it's hard to make a long distance relationship work".

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#142554: May 25th 2022 at 1:33:55 AM

I would like the gossip on why they broke up.

For all of Thor and Dark World we don't actually see much of their relationship. I've heard speculation before that given Jane pined so long for Thor despite their short time together in the first film, she's more invested in the idea of him rather than the man himself.

Heh, becoming Thor her self is probably a healthier way of engaging with those feelings than dating him.

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#142555: May 25th 2022 at 2:09:03 AM

I'd imagine Thor heading off into space yet again, this time without any warning or an urgent need to be somewhere, didn't help the relationship at all.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142556: May 25th 2022 at 2:09:29 AM

One thing I hope is we get some signs of Jane pining or regretting breaking up with Thor.

Cause I find all the "Thor still uncomfortably pines after Jane" not really funny and more just annoyingly sad.

Edited by slimcoder on May 25th 2022 at 2:10:01 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#142557: May 25th 2022 at 2:21:23 AM

It should be noted that Zeus defeated Typhon by slamming a mountain on him.

In one description of the final battle after Zeus got his sinews back, it became a back and forth Tennis Boss. Typhon threw mountains at Zeus which Zeus deflected right back at him with his thunderbolts. The weakened and bloody Typhon tried to flee but that's when Zeus threw Mount Aetna on him.

Zeus is terrible, but there's a reason he's the King of the Gods.

Edited by M84 on May 25th 2022 at 5:25:44 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#142558: May 25th 2022 at 4:09:34 AM

Thors always had to deal with his masculinity not holding up in reality. The fact Jane broke up with him being a key sticking point for him.

Much like him trying to relish a gruesome death for Thanos doomed half the universe cause he wouldn’t go for the head. Then he learned too late.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#142559: May 25th 2022 at 4:22:57 AM

Heck, it's why he got depowered and banished in the first place.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142560: May 25th 2022 at 4:26:28 AM

Its been 8 years though and he's been through hell of a lot worse than a simple break up with some person he's only known for a couple weeks.

Pretty sure he's had bowel movements longer than his relationship with Jane.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#142561: May 25th 2022 at 4:30:19 AM

It was a pretty important couple of weeks. He went through more growing up in those weeks than he did in the rest of his thousands of years.

Disgusted, but not surprised
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#142562: May 25th 2022 at 4:33:27 AM

Yeah he was forced to change, and that makes those moments precious to him cause it was a time he was learning to be better.

That Thor is still learning is just how things are, cause you can regress as despair Thor who became a NEET gamer in new Asgard can attest. And there are varying levels to how toxic ones masculinity can be.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 25th 2022 at 4:34:14 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#142563: May 25th 2022 at 5:25:49 AM

Thor and Jane dated for at least a year spanning The Dark World and Age of Ultron, and presumably at least some time after that given that the comment he received in Ragnarok seemed to be at least slightly topical.

And he hasn't actually had any stable romantic relationships outside of that one by the looks of it.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#142564: May 25th 2022 at 11:09:41 AM

The characters lives don't just stop when they aren't on screen after all.

AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Otaku
#142565: May 27th 2022 at 5:02:39 PM

What are your thoughts on the idea of Marvel Studios having a separate sub-brand for films directed by auteur directors with full creative control? Imagine Ant-Man directed by Edgar Wright.

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#142566: May 27th 2022 at 8:58:46 PM

[up]You're describing this series of parody trailers by Patrick H. Willems. https://youtu.be/fhuvfJPx0Mk

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142567: May 27th 2022 at 9:07:01 PM

It'd be sort of the logical conclusion of the MCU replicating serialized comic book storytelling: have a Vertigo (or in this case, perhaps Marvel Knights) equivalent brand.

The idea isn't bad but it doesn't suit in the corporate branding. In general they just need to let directors off the chain in their mainline movies, or use streaming as a venue to let that freedom fly (which they did do so far with Wandavision and Moon Knight, the most experimental of the bunch of Disneyplus shows).

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#142568: May 27th 2022 at 10:54:29 PM

Marvel actually did try a separate "Marvel Knights" film branding near the end of the 2000s; but only Punisher: War Zone and Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance were released under it.

Edited by lbssb on May 27th 2022 at 10:55:23 AM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142569: May 28th 2022 at 4:10:30 AM

Best they could do is have the Marvel Knights characters (Matt, Jess, Luke, Danny, Frank, Elektra, Misty, and Colleen) be allowed to be as gritty as they were on Netflix and stick to themselves aside from the occasional cameo. Thunderbolts would probably also fall under that mantle, considering the most obvious candidates (Bullseye, Hellcat, Diamondback, and Davos) are all Netflix characters.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 28th 2022 at 4:18:19 AM

AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Otaku
#142570: May 28th 2022 at 6:02:04 AM

Speaking of which, I'm interested in seeing the Masters of Evil being introduced into the MCU. The hypothetical MCU Masters of Evil would be led by Baron Zemo and it's roster would be composed of the Leader (Samuel Sterns), Ghost (Ava Starr), the Scorpion (Mac Gargan), Arnim Zola, Mordo, the Enchantress and newcomers the Beetle and Moonstone.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#142571: May 28th 2022 at 6:11:57 AM

Man, I’ll always think of the Masters of evil being lead by Doom.

An MCU version of Ultimate Alliance would be awesome but it’s unfeasible sadly.

But it would certainly get butts in the theater to have Tom Holland, Hugh Jackman, Chris Hemsworth, and Chris Evans in one team.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 28th 2022 at 9:15:00 AM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142572: May 28th 2022 at 6:36:50 AM

Zemo here would absolutely not lead the Masters of Evil, and I feel like Doom here would be too arrogant and too much of a control freak to lead a team. Maybe Nefaria, or Power Broker if she and Nefaria become a composite with her gaining a massive power boost? That or a Kang variant (Mister Gryphon, probably) effectively taking Norman Osborn's place. Gargan (if Sony allows him to be used) and Ghost would be more likely to be on the Dark Avengers.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 28th 2022 at 6:37:50 AM

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#142573: May 28th 2022 at 7:12:22 AM

I don't think they've ever addressed what happened to Ghost, but I don't think she'll be a villain if she shows up again. Granted, they were gathering quantum whatevers to help cure Ghost when everyone got dusted, but it's more likely that she'd be dead and not evil again.

Edited by MurlocAggroB on May 28th 2022 at 8:12:47 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142574: May 28th 2022 at 10:02:13 AM

In the film proper Janet has a moment where she stabilizes Ghost's particles. It depends how well Janet stabilized her to delay the unmaking of her particles.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142575: May 28th 2022 at 10:09:15 AM

Ghost would still be vulnerable to being sucked into a team like that because she really doesn't have much of a support system (the Pyms don't count because they treat everyone near them like shit) and also really doesn't have much of a purpose otherwise, and I could see her being manipulated into something like that.


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