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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142476: May 22nd 2022 at 7:03:50 AM

The Speed Force effectively allows you to warp your own local reality.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#142477: May 22nd 2022 at 7:04:58 AM

Quicksilver in the comics does share one other trait with The Flash. Super-Speed is his default setting, while trying to live life at the same pace as everyone else feels intolerably slow to him.

That's one of the reasons he's such a jerk most of the time — to him, everyone else is a person holding up a checkout line.

Edited by M84 on May 22nd 2022 at 10:06:11 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#142478: May 22nd 2022 at 7:49:38 AM

Imagine how bad it must be when he's actually behind people holding up a checkout line.

Though come to think of he probably doesn't buy groceries like a normal person would, I just like the mental image.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#142479: May 22nd 2022 at 7:53:52 AM

Eh, he can just use self-checkout.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#142480: May 22nd 2022 at 7:57:19 AM

Would the machine be able to keep up with him?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#142481: May 22nd 2022 at 7:57:53 AM

It’s funny that the Flash sees the world even slower but is much more of a friendly funny guy

Maybe Quicksilver needs an attitude adjustment perhaps in a book titled Quicksilver No Surrender

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#142482: May 22nd 2022 at 8:00:45 AM

I don't think Quicksilver ever pays for stuff.

Edited by Nightwire on May 22nd 2022 at 8:00:54 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#142483: May 22nd 2022 at 8:01:27 AM

Except for all his bad decisions

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#142484: May 22nd 2022 at 8:04:57 AM

Well, that goes without saying. Maybe if he wasn't such a jerk.

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142485: May 22nd 2022 at 9:19:25 AM

It is properly a bit odd to say this, maybe even controversial to some, but the fact that Marvel could only use Hulk and Spider-man with other characters actually worked very well for them in the long run. I admit it worked much more quickly with Spider-man, as it was only Thor: Rangnork onwards that it helped Hulk. 1) It allowed for more chemistry with equals, rather than with a supporting cast and love interest. 2) Adds a feel that the world is bigger than what the heroes and villains are doing. A sense of an actual shared universe, rather than the hero's own story, team up and then dismantle, come together, rinse and repeat. 3) In the case of spider-man make him an audience surrogate into different parts of the MCU e.g Homecoming-Rookie hero, Far from Home-Spy conspiracy, No way Home-Magic gone wrong. 4) Also leads to some amazing events and team-ups-Thor+Hulk vs Undead Norse monsters and the Sinister Five vs the Spider-men.

Sincerely S Awatching.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142486: May 22nd 2022 at 9:45:11 AM

Wait how fast is Makkari by comparison?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142487: May 22nd 2022 at 10:03:25 AM

Movie-wise she seems to move somewhere along the speed of sound (so somewhere along 1.235 kmh-767 mph) given how fast she seems to race through the place, generate sonic shockwaves as weaponry and the fact she's deaf (presumably to avoid damaging her own ears with her own shockwaves).

In the movie they seem to add a slight Logical Weakness workaround that it seems like Makkari has some difficulty changing directions due the momentum her speed gains. She usually has to screech to a halt to change directions.

Edited by Gaon on May 22nd 2022 at 10:05:06 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#142488: May 22nd 2022 at 10:14:45 AM

Thats why you need Speed Force. To Hand Wave away all of those pesky physics.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142489: May 22nd 2022 at 10:19:31 AM

Makkari is actually a fun example of using physics to aid the superheroic shenanigans in some ways. As I mentioned she generates shockwaves when she comes to a dead-stop (due the air and sound burst) and she uses that as an offensive weapon against Ikkaris and I thought that was a fantastic aesthetic decision.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142490: May 22nd 2022 at 1:25:48 PM

Watching Ant-Man 2 again, and once more enjoying how Scott is written in this film.

It’s also fun how the Pyms are consistently more or less Nominal Heroes, in both films. They not malicious, but don’t really care about other people that much, and tend to leave a lot of mayhem behind.

It’s funny how the films have mostly not bothered to use much of Ant-Man’s rogues gallery, preferring to composite other villains into their stories. With the way they handled Strange 2, the plans for Ant-Man 3 and the rumors about how they intend to handle Black Panther 2, it seems like this was the start of an overall trend.

Still, it’s a little odd to be three movies in and to have no sign of Whirlwind yet. Maybe he’ll get a cameo fighting Hope, or in a flashback fighting Janet, in the third film. Or, since I’m sure Cassie fighting villains outside Scott’s wishes is going to be a plot point, maybe he’ll make a minor appearance as someone she fights.

Is that rumored Jimmy Woo & Darcy series still happening?

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 22nd 2022 at 1:48:37 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142491: May 22nd 2022 at 1:48:54 PM

Its kinda amusing how little Hank and Hope care that they are risking Scott going back to jail over this.

Like Janet aside the rest of things they largely care about only has to do with how they feel, Hank is pissed that Scott used the suit in Avengers stuff without his permission and lost it while Hope is upset because Scott didn't think to call her when he did Avengers stuff.

Shows that the 2 are pretty selfish people.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#142492: May 22nd 2022 at 1:51:28 PM

> Its kinda amusing how little Hank and Hope care that they are risking Scott going back to jail over this.

Then Scot has to face his arch nemesis,The Judicial system!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#142493: May 22nd 2022 at 5:05:48 PM

I know Ant-Man and the Wasp isn't exactly the most amazing film in the world or anything, but I can't help but really like it. It made the Wasp such a fun character for me, really leaned into its San Francisco setting (helps that I'm living there!), and it's generally just low stakes fun where everyone's just trying to be the best person they can.

It is kinda neat how Hank and Hope are very self-centered like everyone said. There's definitely a reason why he wasn't exactly liked during his S.H.I.E.L.D days, huh. I still wonder if Hank and Arnim clashed while they worked together in Jersey.

I do have to wonder what Hank and Janet will think about Scott working with the Avengers again, inventing time travel, and using the Ant-Man suit to fight aliens. I'm half-expecting Hank to complain about it, and half-expecting him to be envious. Meanwhile, Janet would probably love it all the way.

Edited by MatthewWayne on May 22nd 2022 at 5:06:52 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142494: May 22nd 2022 at 6:16:57 PM

[up]You also gotta wonder how they'll feel about Cassie eventually becoming Stature.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#142495: May 23rd 2022 at 8:00:47 AM

[up][up] I wonder what Hank thinks about how he owes his family's undusting to Scott coming up with the idea of time travel.

Okey Dokey!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#142496: May 23rd 2022 at 8:04:52 AM

Well he ungrumped enough to go to Tony’s funeral and didn’t even cause a scene

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#142497: May 23rd 2022 at 8:50:26 AM

[guy tapping head meme] we didn't see him cause a scene.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#142499: May 23rd 2022 at 10:23:15 AM

Hank: "Hey, Stark, here are some high-quality, super accurate missiles for you! Just as you like them!"

Hope: "Oh, god, Dad, no, don't piss in the coffin!"

Edited by fredhot16 on May 23rd 2022 at 10:26:13 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#142500: May 23rd 2022 at 10:23:17 AM

Poor Janet must've been really be struggling to rein him...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."

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