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Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
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I was honestly about to make one and I don’t even really know the series
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Oh yeah I didn't even think of that.
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Zombie with mind control powers would be weird.
"Braaaaiiiiins..."
"Yes, we get it, you want to eat our brains."
"No, controooooool braaaaaaaiiiins...!"
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The Man Outside Reality
Maybe Kilgrave could be the Big Bad of whatever the hell Marvel Studios is gonna do with that Marvel Zombies spinoff.
Which...I'm still not really sold on. But it would be kinda neat if there was some interconnectivity with the Netflix shows there.
Trust no one.
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Would his mind control be able to enslave zombies? If so, that'd be an absolutely broken power in a zombie apocalypse.
The Man Outside Reality
Well, we need something to counter the Mind Stone somehow...
The King Without a Kingdom
I feel like the problem with the What If version of the zombies for this scenario is that while the zombies retain their powers for the most part, they're still the typical slow lumbering zombies that you'd find in most media. So I think a zombie Killgrave wouldn't be particularly effective since he wouldn't be able to talk intelligibly.
It's been 3000 years…
The Head of the Hydra
I'm reminded over in D Ceased the DC zombie story, the idea of a zombie Flash is the most horrifying thing ever because he would still maintain his super-speed even as a zombie.
DC vs Vampires also has a similar idea where they kill Flash instead of turning him into a vampire cause his super metabolism would mean he would eat all of humanity in like a single sitting.
Edited by slimcoder on May 21st 2022 at 10:02:17 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
The Man Outside Reality
Why doesn't anyone try to use time manipulation to stop characters with Super-Speed? I feel that would make subduing them a lot easier...
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I believe that was Hunter Zolomon's powerset in the pre-New 52 Flash comics.
It is. He can slow down his own personal timeline to give himself absolutely ludicrous super-speed that even speedsters can't touch.
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
I feel like most forms of media with a speedster have a scene where a character slows down time and the speedster moves like a regular person.
That's how Zoom is even in comparison to speedsters. The downside to his powers is that he's temporally unstable and using them creates windows into other moments of his life that he can be forced into.
Speedsters really encourage Power Creep (ah, but this one is even faster), so good to find alternative solutions where possible. Slowdown powers are an obvious enough solution
Disasturbator
Speedsters are broken and need to be nerfed
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Although evidently MCU!Quicksilver... wasn't quite powerful enough.
Quicksilver in DOFP was every bit as broken as he is in the comics, and I can only imagine how broken Tommy will be with the Young Avengers or (if he appears) Northstar with Alpha Flight.
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
The best way to keep speedsters balanced is to handle them like MCU Quicksilver, where their speed is still within regular human perception. I don't think he ever moved faster than 200 miles per hour in the whole movie, and that's still fairly balanced as far as fighting Captain America goes. It's when you get to Mach 1 that speedsters start getting ridiculous, and FTL is just asinine.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 22nd 2022 at 6:26:55 AM
Quicksilver isn't even that fast compared to most speedster. In the big Justice League/Avengers crossover, he was outclassed by Flash until they went to a universe where Flash's powers didn't work
His only outstanding trait is that he sees the world more slowly, which is why he's so angry.
Just make everyone a speedster! And when everyone's a speedster, no one will be!
Even if he isn't as broken as your average Speed Force user or Zoom, Quicksilver is still pretty goddamn broken by MU standards. The only way anyone who isn't way above his level ever seems to beat him is through plot-related stupidity on his part or individual writers nerfing him, because when Pietro is written competently and isn't fucking around, most of his fights involve the other party getting pulverized before they even have time to process half of the blows they're receiving.
Foreign Troper
Quicksilver in the comics hangs around the "Multi dozen Mach" speed, last time I checked. Which yeah, isn't Flash levels of crazy fast, but still pretty darn fast.
He is not the fastest man alive in the MU though, not even the fastest mutant 'glances at Northstar'
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Problem is when those alternative solutions get thwarted by further power creep.
Goku powering up so he can move faster than time is patently ridiculous, and yet also pales in comparison to the Flash's crimes against reason.
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Foreign Troper
Super Speed is one of these Powers where plot-induced handwaves are pretty much a necessity.
Edited by Forenperser on May 22nd 2022 at 4:00:14 PM
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I think you could probably spin Kilgrave coming back from the dead as a literal zombie, purple with decay and rot, as something cool. Maybe something something Hand shenanigans or something something Blip. His name is literally "Kilgrave", audiences would have to be told that him being a purple zombie isn't actually from the comics, it just kinda fits.
And then all the FNAF jokes commence.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 21st 2022 at 6:27:33 AM