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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#142401: May 19th 2022 at 6:47:24 PM

They gave him the mask for his flashback fight with Davos in K’un-L’un.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142402: May 19th 2022 at 6:47:57 PM

Defenders also briefly featured him in a version of his tracksuit costume, but that was it.

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#142403: May 19th 2022 at 6:59:02 PM

I wonder if Marvel's considering a way to have Luke Cage and Sam Wilson meet at some point. It'd be interesting to see how Luke and the rest of Harlem feel about the new Captain America.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#142404: May 19th 2022 at 7:02:05 PM

I'd prefer it if Finn Jones reprised the role. He got off to a rough start in season 1 and Defenders, yeah, but he really grew into the role in his second season, as well as his guest role in Luke Cage's.

I wish people who only watched the first season (or worse, didn't even watch it at all and just parrot other people's opinions) would stop saying he must be replaced without even giving the second season a chance. Like, if you still don't like him after that, then fair enough, but don't be a mindless drone.

But the soft-reboot thing is gonna be an issue. I really wish they'd just continue it where it left off, newcomer accessibility be damned.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on May 19th 2022 at 10:03:05 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#142405: May 19th 2022 at 7:04:19 PM

If Finn Jones can pull off a good costume like this, then all is forgiven.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142406: May 19th 2022 at 7:04:23 PM

Yeah, I really don't want to see Tilda left hanging.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142407: May 19th 2022 at 7:05:11 PM

Danny could show up back again as just basically Orson Randall given Shang-Chi lifted so much from his shtick. He was already seen with the guns last we saw him.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#142408: May 19th 2022 at 9:14:52 PM

I'd also like for all the original actors and actresses to reprise their roles in the new versions of their TV shows. There is so much new material that they can draw on to tell new stories with since they are officially part of the Disney branding like falcon and the winter soldier and hawkeye are.

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#142409: May 19th 2022 at 11:07:13 PM

I know that some Netflix purists are gonna hate me for saying this, but I also hope that the rest of the Defenders get to wear some version of their original costumes full-time now. People complain that they look too goofy, but I honestly thought it looks sillier when everyone but Daredevil is wearing street clothes.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#142410: May 19th 2022 at 11:13:20 PM

Jessica and Luke don't wear superhero costumes in the comics, so not much would change.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#142411: May 19th 2022 at 11:36:02 PM

At most I want Luke to wear his yellow shirt instead of the black hoodie, though I understand why he was wearing hoodie there.

It was for symbolism and solidarity for victims of police shootings I recall.

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#142412: May 20th 2022 at 12:30:28 AM

[up][up][up]Danny and Luke are the only ones that are really majorly departed from their comic looks. I would like to see the classic Iron Fist costume in full, but I think the black hoodie with yellow lining is a good look for Luke.

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#142413: May 20th 2022 at 2:58:43 AM

There was a rumor a while back that Moon Knight would appear in Captain America 4, given it's a rumor it is either not true or could be true but changed. I put it out there because I think it would be so cool to have Bucky and Sam out of their comfort zone into a world of magic weirdsness, also interacting with steve/Marc.

Bucky: Which one are we talking to know?

Also they did say they wanted to have Sam, a normal human go up against a superhuman threat.

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#142414: May 20th 2022 at 3:53:46 AM

[up] I do not think so. If Bucky and Sam wanted to face magical threats, Marvel should use the Serpent Society for this.

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#142415: May 20th 2022 at 4:52:41 AM

I'd prefer it if Finn Jones reprised the role. He got off to a rough start in season 1 and Defenders, yeah, but he really grew into the role in his second season, as well as his guest role in Luke Cage's.

On top of that, I think Feige generally prefers substituting a character over recasting an existing character.

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#142416: May 20th 2022 at 11:38:13 AM

I'm reminded that in the lead-up to The Matrix Resurrections, Jessica Henwick said she was offered the role of Xialing, but turned it down just in case they ever wanted to bring Colleen back.

That makes sense. Appearing in the MCU as a different character would officially decanonize Colleen.

The fact that the studio wanted to do just that really goes to show how complicated and muddy the whole Netflix canonicity has been over the years. It suggests that the topic has been as hotly debated in-house as it has within the fandom.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142417: May 20th 2022 at 12:46:43 PM

[up]At least Cottonmouth is dead, but that itself is going to lead to some interesting situations.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142418: May 20th 2022 at 12:56:38 PM

Unless they choose to bring him back, at least.

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#142419: May 20th 2022 at 12:58:29 PM

[up][up][up]Gemma Chan appeared in two different movies as different characters, so I don't think it's quite that simple.

Edited by lbssb on May 20th 2022 at 12:58:42 PM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142420: May 20th 2022 at 1:01:20 PM

[up][up]He had his skull bashed in after being thrown out of a window, he's not coming back from that. He also doesn't have any descendants that we know of who could pick up the mantle as a legacy character.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 20th 2022 at 1:02:03 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142421: May 20th 2022 at 1:27:44 PM

He is if they want him to be.

As we’ve gone over before, we shouldn’t be approaching these revivals expecting them to be complete, faithful new seasons of the old stories. They’re not going to be direct continuations of anything.

They’re going to be Broad Strokes takes. And one of the big things were probably ought to expect is that if there’s a popular character they want to bring back, they’re not going to hold themselves back because five years ago the show killed the character off.

This is especially important where Luke is concerned, because he doesn’t really have a lot of major enemies in the comics and the show exhausted nearly all of them. If they want to do a Luke-centric story (which is not guaranteed, granted), they might end up just bringing those older villains back because they want those popular characters to have presence in the MCU.

But for a similar reason, I wouldn’t be surprised if they bring David Tennant back to play Purple Man again.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 20th 2022 at 1:43:40 AM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142422: May 20th 2022 at 1:40:50 PM

[up]Tennant will very likely come back as Kilgrave for Jess's internal monologues, as they're an important part of her character. The thing with Luke's rogues gallery is that Cottonmouth and Mariah are the only ones who are explicitly gone. Diamondback was almost definitely being set up for some kind of future appearance, Tilda was being set up as the next antagonist, Shades is crafty enough to conceivably find some way out of prison, and even Bushmaster could conceivably get his hands on some black market super soldier serum or something else that could physically restore him. It's a lot more open then, say, Jess or Frank's rogues galleries, where Trish is literally the only one who isn't dead.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 20th 2022 at 1:41:06 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142423: May 20th 2022 at 1:48:37 PM

I could also imagine Kilgrave coming back if they decide to do Alpha Flight, since once of its members is his daughter. Or - perhaps more likely - if they want to do Emperor Doom or something similar.

Really, since Kilgrave is basically *the* Marvel mind control villain (there’s others, but none as popular) - and arguably the biggest villain of the Netflix shows in general - and David Tennant is a very popular actor, I can’t imagine Marvel Studios being too reluctant to do a bit of retconning regarding him if they want to. There’s a lot of HSQ to be had in leaning into the audience seeing him again.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 20th 2022 at 2:04:57 AM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#142424: May 20th 2022 at 2:01:43 PM

The fact that the studio wanted to do just that really goes to show how complicated and muddy the whole Netflix canonicity has been over the years. It suggests that the topic has been as hotly debated in-house as it has within the fandom.

"Debated" I think is too strong, like people up top have been actively disagreeing over what direction to go. It seems more like they just don't care, and as a result the canonicity is extremely fluid. It's Schrodinger's cat where whether it's canon or not is ultimately up to whatever project ultimately has to open the box but until then they'll at least keep from actively breaking said canon to keep fans happy.

Actually if anyone does care it's the creatives in the middle. We saw it with Henwick actively not want to play another character to keep the chance of reprising Colleen Wing open and we saw it with just about everything with how the Hawkeye show handled Kingpin.

[up] I can totally see a MCU Jessica Jones show having her run into the Purple Woman and deal with trying to set her on the righteous path and the two being figuratively haunted by Kilgrave's ghost and legacy. It'd be nice having more of him but yeah, it's definitely one of those canonicity issues and I imagine that's on the lower end for them to rework.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142425: May 20th 2022 at 2:22:52 PM

Really, since Kilgrave is basically *the* Marvel mind control villain (there’s others, but none as popular) - and arguably the biggest villain of the Netflix shows in general - and David Tennant is a very popular actor, I can’t imagine Marvel Studios being too reluctant to do a bit of retconning regarding him if they want to. There’s a lot of HSQ to be had in leaning into the audience seeing him again.

He'd even fit the MCU's usual pattern of "repeating actors cast as a character, but Truer to the Text" (i.e the MCU would most likely make his skin actually purple).

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