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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142376: May 19th 2022 at 1:58:57 PM

I wouldn’t hold my breath on any of the future Heroes for Hire et al characters stories being direct continuations of the earlier shows.

In particular, I’d be pretty shocked if characters that required heavily following the old shows to understand like Tilda or specific plot points like Owlsley’s death were retained.

I’d expect they’d just soft reboot, with the same Broad Strokes that Fisk got in Hawkeye. Characters the show killed off might be back again, villains already dealt with might be re-done as if they hadn’t been, etc.

TBH, I’ve been pulling for them leading up to New Avengers (Luke, Danny, Jess, Matt, Dr. Strange, Spidey, Wolverine) with these characters, now that they have most of the requisite characters in their belt.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 19th 2022 at 2:00:07 AM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142377: May 19th 2022 at 2:09:25 PM

Diamondback, Trish Walker, and Bullseye would also be easy enough to bring back with the Thunderbolts. Maybe Bushmaster too, but I don't know how they'd get around him being completely fucked up by the end of Season 2. Also, Mustafa Shakir needs to see an actual dialect coach if he's gonna reprise the role, because that Patois was rough.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#142378: May 19th 2022 at 2:13:55 PM

THR describes it as being a "new but continued series".

Soft reboot's looking the most likely. So same continuity, no retcons, just details will be up to whenever they get referenced. Could probably assume similar for everything else given recent rumors about Chloe Bennet reprising as Quake.

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#142379: May 19th 2022 at 2:22:01 PM

I could accept "new but continued", I guess. Season 3 ended on a relatively complete-enough note that even a direct Season 4 would have been a relatively fresh start plot-wise anyway. I would like to see Bullseye return and acknowledged as having fought Daredevil before, at least.

More worried about the tone and writing quality than anything else.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142380: May 19th 2022 at 2:26:47 PM

Season 4 was originally supposed to have Owlsley's son, I think, and Jess left off ready for a fresh start, which lends an easy enough place for a soft reboot. It's Luke and Danny who had the big cliffhangers.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 19th 2022 at 3:38:49 AM

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#142381: May 19th 2022 at 2:32:02 PM

"New but continued" makes sense. They're basically starting over, but they won't do anything that directly contradicts the Netflix shows. So, like, Matt and Fisk have a pre-existing relationship and won't be meeting each other for the first time all over again, but the specific details of that relationship won't be relevant to the new series.

Yeah, a soft reboot is probably the best way to go. Creatively, it straddles the line between respecting the old continuity and the fans thereof, while not having to be completely beholden to it. And from a marketing standpoint, it encourages people to go watch those shows that are now available on Disney Plus, without making Netflix's R-rated spinoffs into required viewing.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 19th 2022 at 2:34:09 AM

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#142382: May 19th 2022 at 2:41:20 PM

[up][up]Punisher's in a pretty good place for a "new but continued" soft-reboot as well, since Season 2 left with no dangling plot threads and everybody's character arcs wrapped up, but yeah, it sucks that Luke Cage and Iron Fist are in the positions they are. I'm worried for their futures.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on May 19th 2022 at 5:42:09 AM

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#142383: May 19th 2022 at 2:49:24 PM

I don't think Luke would be very difficult to Broad Strokes back into the series. Iron Fist's show ended on such a massive status quo shakeup, however, that it would be challenging to try and Soft Reboot either him or Colleen.

Either they come back like they were at the end of the show, and then you have to explain how vastly different they are from their comic book counterparts, or they reset to zero offscreen for no adequately explained reason and then nobody's happy. No matter which way you slice it, if Danny and/or Colleen ever show up, the MCU won't be able to get away with a soft reboot approach. They'll have to answer some questions.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 19th 2022 at 2:51:53 AM

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#142384: May 19th 2022 at 2:51:31 PM

I fully expect them to straight up nope Luke Cage’s ending. At best, he’ll be a hero who operates out the nightclub, and when someone asks “but wait, didn’t he turn into a crime lord?l the continuation will just say “nah” and keep going.

I keep thinking of how NWH did Electro as entirely different from the original film appearance, specifically because even though it was technically a continuation of his story they wanted something more in tune to the comics. Anything that gets too much in the way of, say, Luke and Danny being Heroes for Hire is probably just going to be handwaved offscreen.

Same with the thing about Owlsley’s son. He’s probably just going to show up as The Owl and they might not really go into it beyond that.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 19th 2022 at 2:52:58 AM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#142385: May 19th 2022 at 2:53:15 PM

Yeah I'm really not looking forward to a soft reboot attempting to address everything with Iron Fist. And the arguably correct answer is "don't care, don't use him, he's a shit White Savior character anyway so screw him" but dammit I'm a fan. DX

...of the character, not the show or Finn Jones playing him. Though I remember him actually not being that bad in his Luke Cage cameo.

That's not getting into some of the messier little hiccups that could do better with more extensive retools, like everything with the Hand to start.

Edited by Watchtower on May 19th 2022 at 5:54:22 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142386: May 19th 2022 at 2:58:01 PM

The biggest thing getting in Iron Fist’s way right now imo is that MCU Shang Chi was very obviously composited with him, and there’s going to be that nagging feeling that now there’s already someone doing his thing in the setting without that uncomfortable feeling of cultural appropriation.

But at the same time, I also don’t want Shang Chi to be, like, the replacement Danny. I like Shang’s own stuff, and I like Danny and Luke’s dynamic, so I hope they find a way through that.

Best case scenario is that they give us a Heroes for Hire show that’s the bunch of them literally incorporating. Like, Luke + Danny, Daughters of the Dragon, and Alias Investigations all come together as one in-universe business, and they spend their days A-Teaming the common people’s super problems.

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#142387: May 19th 2022 at 2:58:21 PM

I could see them rebooting daredevil but Frisk is now a fat white guy in a lapcoat,que a bunch of people scratching their heads before being told it's now comic book accurate

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#142388: May 19th 2022 at 3:04:45 PM

[up][up][up] The other correct answer is "don't give a shit about the white savior crap, just use the character well"

Like Danny is a pretty fine character, lets not use the same moron character that was prevalent in the show.

This is probably the perfect chance for him to start all over.

Edited by slimcoder on May 19th 2022 at 3:05:03 AM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#142389: May 19th 2022 at 3:11:06 PM

[up][up][up] Gaaaaaaah I hate the "replacement hero" shit. No, I don't want Shang-Chi to kill Shou-Lao and obtain the Iron Fist, no you can't just give Shang-Chi the costume and say he's the same thing, the two characters are great for what they are and you can't just swap them around dammit. Shit I'm not even a fan of the current comics giving it to Sword Master instead of actually letting Sword Master be cool on his own. This whole "oh we can't have two characters do similar things CONSOLIDATE THEM" mindset is so bleh.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142390: May 19th 2022 at 3:11:27 PM

The easiest way to deal with the Hand is to not use them at all and have Elektra not bring them back. The Five Fingers are gone, they don't have any way to resurrect any more, and they lost a ton of people. There is NO way they will ever be a threat again.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142391: May 19th 2022 at 3:24:33 PM

But then we don’t get the awesome “Fisk controls the Hand” concept from the comics.

Though I could just see them replaced by the Five Weapons Society from Shang Chi’s wheelhouse.

  • Daredevil: “Wait, is this the Hand again?”
  • Shang-Chi: “No, it’s the House of the Deadly Hand, totally different secret global organization of assassin crime lords.”

Though in general, revealing that a cult of endless and literally immortal covert ninjas is still around despite apparently being destroyed isn’t the hardest retcon to sell. Even HYDRA is explicitly still around in the MCU, even if they haven’t done anything in a while.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 19th 2022 at 3:27:47 AM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#142392: May 19th 2022 at 3:30:34 PM

Don't you talk shit about my evil zombie ninja clan in my house. [lol]

But yeah I've thought about it and what the Hand really needs is someone akin to the Shredder, someone that all the evil ninjas can rally in service of. Nobu was okay but made underwhelming by how grounded the Netflix MCU was and the Fingers were just awful. The MCU Ten Rings are ironically something I'd consider close to that sort of ideal, especially with Xialing in charge.

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#142393: May 19th 2022 at 3:33:28 PM

Ya know on that thought I can't really compare Iron Fist's Kun'Lun to Shang-Chi's Ta Lo, sure they are Hidden Elf Villages but they are extremely different.

Ta Lo is more of a nature wonderland, where the inhabitants live free in peace with nature and leave a cozy nice life.

Kun'Lun is an oppressive patriarchal society dominated by centuries of rigid tradition and the Iron Fist the guardian of the city is expected to give up their identity to solely defend the city. Which has caused no end of clashes with various IF's across the centuries who struggled between maintaining their individuality and their altruistic desire to protect everyone they come across, even those beyond the city.

[up] It is funny how the Hand don't really have that sort of leader figure even in the comics.

Edited by slimcoder on May 19th 2022 at 3:42:50 AM

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#142395: May 19th 2022 at 3:43:57 PM

Whoa, they're doing a new(-ish) Daredevil series for Disney+?! surprised

YOOOOOOOOOOOO! grin

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#142396: May 19th 2022 at 4:34:21 PM

It sounds to me like this show will be a new series that doesn't directly continue from the original, but will still follow it.

In other words, something like the way Dexter: New Blood is a sequel to Dexter. New Blood season 1 isn't Dexter season 9; it's the first season of its own series, taking place after a time skip.

Which will make sense from a Doylist perspective, considering that by the time they get around to this season, it'll have been eight to ten years in-universe since Daredevil season 3, unless they decide to backtrack and set it during the Blip (considering that everything that was originally released on Netflix is set from 2014 through 2018, and all prior to Infinity War; whereas everything since Endgame is now taking place 20 Minutes into the Future).

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#142397: May 19th 2022 at 4:45:23 PM

if Danny and/or Colleen ever show up, the MCU won't be able to get away with a soft reboot approach. They'll have to answer some questions.
I'm reminded that in the lead-up to The Matrix Resurrections, Jessica Henwick said she was offered the role of Xialing, but turned it down just in case they ever wanted to bring Colleen back.

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#142398: May 19th 2022 at 6:28:32 PM

Way I see it, if Anson Mount can get another shot as Black Bolt after Inhumans, Finn Jones can have another shot as Iron Fist.

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#142399: May 19th 2022 at 6:34:31 PM

[up]Hopefully Gabriel Luna gets to reprise Robbie Reyes too.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#142400: May 19th 2022 at 6:46:27 PM

Did the Netflix shows ever actually give Danny his costume?

Like even just the mask, did they even give him the mask?

Edited by slimcoder on May 19th 2022 at 6:46:41 AM

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