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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Namor can sometimes be honorable and respectful, sometimes, usually when someone either makes him break a sweat or fights to the bitter end no matter how badly outmatched they are. That's about it for redeeming traits. He's a piece of shit, there's no way around it.
Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 16th 2022 at 5:53:29 AM
I feel like there were some times where he wasn't always a jackass.
But then again, what all of you are saying makes sense. Namor's definitely an acquired taste.
Hell, even his fellow Atlanteans are sick of him. How many times has he been kicked out of that place again?
One Strip! One Strip!Its amusing amusing that his DC analogue Ocean Master is far more popular and well liked by his citizens than Namor is by his.
Like surface hatred aside, Orm was a pretty great king who genuinely cared for his subjects. Thats why he's so popular and always has backing whenever he wants to take back the throne.
The people will always love him more than Arthur.
Edited by slimcoder on May 16th 2022 at 5:55:43 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Possible MCU spoiler about Namor - I'm not sure to what extent it's confirmed or even credible, but supposedly Namor is going to be the antagonist (villain?) of the Black Panther sequel and will be played by Tenoch Huerta.
Which is kind of an inspired choice, because whereas Killmonger's villainy is rooted in criticism of Wakanda's isolationism, Namor shtick is that he's a big proponent of the isolated Hidden Elf Village, which he takes to (sometimes murderous) extremes that make the Dora Milaje look easygoing by comparison.
Edit - Also, Slimcoder reminds me of how much Marvel loves the Corrupted Character Copy trope.
Edited by Hodor2 on May 16th 2022 at 6:00:25 AM
Namor has an Odd Friendship of sorts with his fellow Invaders from WW II Steve Rogers and Jim Hammond.
They are notably two of the only people who seem to more or less consider Namor a genuine friend (most of the time).
The best part is that it ends with the narrator being spared and rescued from the depths by Namor because Namor somehow knew that the narrator would help him keep Atlantis a secret.
Edited by M84 on May 16th 2022 at 9:55:32 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedActually, from what I hear, it's just Jim Hammond now.
Even Steve is done with Namor's shit.
One Strip! One Strip!Hell the Squadron Supreme comic from a few years ago started with the Squadron destroying Atlantis and then Hyperion executing Namor via decapitation for everything he's done.
Spectrum even uses his head a soccer ball.
Edited by slimcoder on May 16th 2022 at 7:50:48 AM
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Throughout the Aaron Avengers and the new Invaders book that spun out of it, Cap'n Steve has been standing up for Namor because of their ol' Nazi punching days.
Right around when Namor realized he'd been a giant asshole, Steve independently also realized that Namor had been a giant asshole and has been grouchy about Namor trying to make amends. Partially because Namor is characteristically imperious about being humble and repentant.
I don't think Jim Hammond likes anyone right now, especially not Namor.
Namor punched his body off in said Invaders book, requiring Jim to get a new, Starktech body which was more robotic and less 'can't believe he's not human' and after the events of Invaders, Jim moved to space to be alone because he decided he hated everyone.
Where Korvac validated that decision by showing up and mind controlling him.
Dunno what happened after that, I'm behind on the Iron Man book.
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Hah. I'm aware that now that Namor is actually repentant, Steve now hates him.
While I still think there must have been a time when Namor wasn't 100% awful, I do think he kinda deserves Steve's scorn.
As for the stuff about Jim, I think Bucky still likes Namor. Maybe Bruce Banner as well.
One Strip! One Strip!Although in this case the funny thing is that Namor precedes both Aquaman and Ocean Master (Aquaman by three years, Ocean Master by three decades). Marvel's heroes largely come after DC (as many of Marvel's emblematic characters come from the 60's while DC's the 30's and 40's), but Namor is a case where it's the reverse.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."@fredhot16
No idea what you mean by that, considering Namor is the OG of Marvel. Marvel was founded in 1939, and its very first comic which came out the same year, Marvel Mystery Comics #1
, debuted three characters: the android Human Torch
, The Angel
, and Namor
. He's literally one of the three very first Marvel characters. Captain America wouldn't debut until 1941, two years later.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 16th 2022 at 9:14:58 AM
A part of me is actually surprised those 3 were never used as a distinct super-group of their own, for nostalgia's sake.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."They would make sense, too, with kind of a Superman/Wonder Woman/Batman dynamic. Two superpowered characters and one Badass Normal. Namor has water powers and is the king of Atlantis, Human Torch has fire powers and is an android, Angel has no powers and is a detective who kills people with guns and knives.
Apparently, there was a whole big arc of the comics where Angel led an organization called the Scourges Of The Underworld dedicated to murdering all of the minor supervillains.
Well, if Namor is coming to the MCU in Black Panther, like rumors suggest, I'd like to see Human Torch and Angel also make an appearance. Maybe acknowledge that Namor is super old and have Human Torch and Angel be WWI-era heroes who predate even Captain America and fought Namor at one time.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 16th 2022 at 10:09:45 AM
I am fairly curious how an Illuminati team dealing with hte Incursion saga would form here.
In the comics the team was comprised of Iron Man, Black Bolt, Mr. Fantastic, Black Panther, Doc Strange, Namor, and Beast (who replaces a then dead Prof. X) with a a minor appearance of Captain America and Captain Britain.
Though 2 of those, Tony and T'Challa are out play unless their positions are filled in by say War Machine, or Shuri. Captain Marvel would most likely be a member here.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."The Golden Age of Marvel in general is very cool and I wish the MCU did more with it. The First Avenger's retro-pulp Two-Fisted Tales vibes are one of my favorite aesthetics of the MCU. It's kind of a shame that the focus of Captain America makes it impossible to really go with the comics logic that WWII was where superheroes really blew up and became a part of everyday life in the Marvel Universe;
It'd be very hard to put Namor and Torch there retroactively but it might be done through multiversal shenanigans (i.e. one Golden Age Marvel-themed universe).
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...tangential, but while WandaVision was going on, I had a dumb pet theory that the MCU version of the Fantastic Four would have the android Human Torch based on reverse-engineering Vision's remains, in a sort of reversal of what happened to the two in the comics and as a Composite Character with Johnny Storm. An AI test pilot sort of deal, I guess was the logic.
Edited by Chortleous on May 16th 2022 at 1:53:53 PM
I don't know if you can act like Steve just knew Namor and Torch and never saw fit to mention them throughout his entire superhero career though.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."If Human Torch is introduced I wonder if we'll also get to see Spitfire and Union Jack.
Spitfire for those unfamiliar with the comics is connected to Human Torch because she got her powers from an emergency blood transfusion from Jim after she was drained of blood by her vampire uncle Baron Blood.
Yes, Spitfire gained superpowers from a blood transfusion from an android that was done to save her from a vampire.
That's not even the weirdest thing about her. A second blood transfusion from Jim decades later not only restored her powers, it de-aged her back to a teenager.
Disgusted, but not surprised

Namor has always been a intolerable jackass from day one, being a mercurial egotist was in fact his pitch. His whole pitch is that he's a egocentric and explosive man who sees everyone above the surface as a potential enemy to those under water. In his first appearances he attacks random people at open sea because the Nazis (specifically) dropped depth sea charges and accidentally hit Atlantis (despite failing to understand the obvious that the Nazis don't speak for the entire human race).
The first-ever Marvel hero crossover (and one of the first superhero crossovers ever) was in fact Human Torch (not that one, the android) trying to stop Namor from sinking the entirety of Manhattan over perceived wrongdoings against Atlantis. Which also inaugurated the timeless marvel tradition of heroes fistifghting each other every time they meet.
My favorite version of Namor was actually in a little-known comic called Sub-Mariner: The Depths, which just drops all pretense and tells a horror story of men venturing to the crushing depths and being haunted by the abyssal horror of Namor the Sub-Mariner. Basically it's Alien but Namor is the Xenomorph.
EDIT: Namor would actually be one of the first outright superhero anti-heroes. The previous anti-heroes in comics tended to be more mundane.
Edited by Gaon on May 16th 2022 at 5:18:31 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."