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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Well, Tony in the MCU was being guided by his own guilt in creating Ultron (which Wanda also had a hand in, so he's not totally to blame for that) so he could be seen as being more emotionally compromised in the film version than he was in the comics version.
But Hulk's ship was hijacked mid-transit and summoned to the brutal slave-mongering battle-world Sakaar instead. Nonetheless, Hulk managed to smash his way into ending a tyrannical empire, found love and acceptance among a people who adore him, and made his own happy ending.
But one of his own friends hated the fact that he stopped smashing, so he nuked Hulk's capital city, killed Hulk's wife, and blamed the Illuminati for it. This put Hulk on a warpath bound for revenge.
Hulk went back to Earth from a planet the Illuminati did not send him to, seeking revenge for a bombing the Illuminati did not commit. The one thing they actually did do wrong was tricking him onto the shuttle to begin with so they could send him away without his consent. And by comparison to the crimes he actually wanted revenge for, that almost seems quaint.
So when you think about it, the entirety of not only World War Hulk, but even Planet Hulk could have been avoided if the Illuminati had just asked Bruce if he wanted to go to the planet. Because the thing that hijacked Hulk's ship? That was Hulk flying into a rage over the Illuminati sending him off into space. A thing they could have avoided if they'd talked it out with him first.
Like it's true that Bruce ending up on Sakaar and the ship exploding wasn't their fault, but that doesn't change the fact that they should have told Bruce their plans.
One Strip! One Strip!The main gimmick of the Illuminati as a group is that they view themselves as smarter than everyone else (they're more accurately more intelligent than everyone else, but there is such a difference between wisdom and intelligence). That hubris and inability to properly communicate with others is their downfall every time, including in Multiverse of Madness.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I once said that it's a inevitablity in superhero comics that every smart character (no matter in what field their smarts lie) eventually becomes a cold-hearted machiavellian schemer. The Illuminati is the logical extrapolation of that conclusion, as it's a whole team of characters who underwent that process.
Edited by Gaon on May 16th 2022 at 4:08:19 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Actually you know what’s funniest about how useless the Illuminati are?
They each represent some important powerful group. But because they’re a secret club, the only power they can really bring to bear are themselves because if they felt like explaining things to their teams they wouldn’t need to be a secret group
And sure they’re a powerful collection of people but that makes them no different than any other superhero team since they can’t use their greater resources and connections
They’re basically the Defenders from that era where Dr Strange didn’t want the public to know he was hanging out with Hulk so would mind wipe anyone that saw the Defenders in action
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe Incursion event is a byline for how disastrous things can get.
Namor especially fucks up hard choosing to betray the Illuminati in exchange for freeing Thanos and his Black Order to form the Cabal to do better work with them to destroy the worlds. The Cabal immediately take advantage of Namor, instead choosing to commit countless atrocities and indiscriminate violence on each world to Namor's horror, showcasing that he has completely lost control of the situation.
It got so bad Namor went to Doctor Doom for help who actually has figured out a way to manage the Incursions only for Doom to refuse because he was basically offended that instead of coming to him after the Illuminati failed he went with his "subhuman lot" like Thanos.
He proceeded call Namor a useless dumbass after making him beg for help. Doom is second to no one.
Edited by slimcoder on May 16th 2022 at 4:13:58 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."He's only on the Illuminati in the first place because he basically threatens everyone with flooding if he can't join their club.
He is completely unqualified since he's never been really been an intelligent person. Even Black Bolt carries himself with a dignity Namor never possessed.
Edited by slimcoder on May 16th 2022 at 4:20:21 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I feel like Namor's unlikeable reputation might be why he's not going to appear in the MCU for a long time yet,they're either saving him for when they need an unlikeable jerk superhero or they don't think they can translate the character to film without having make major changes
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverI mean, the Incursions were such a grimdark conflict to begin with that it's hard to see how anything they did could make things worse. Literally the entire Multiverse died in that arc.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Was there ever a time in his life when Namor wasn't an unlikeable jerk?
Like seriously? I hear so much about it that it sounds like he was always this way, but I doubt it.
More likely he could be an ass at times, but was still a hero until Marvel did that thing they love doing where they take the worst aspects of a character and dial them up until that's all the character is, both in-universe and out.
Kinda like what they did to most of the members of the Illuminati in fact, especially Tony, Charles and Reed.
One Strip! One Strip!Didn’t he try to flood New York in his first appearance?
Isn’t he also well known for trying seduce Sue Richards into having an affair?
Hell when the Illuminati were discussing their love lives Namor point blank tells Reed “You still have her even though I tried to steal her.”
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."![]()
A hero...how?
What do you remember about him that’s heroic? Or even admirable?
His origin comic had him in a war against surface-dwellers.
Him being an asshole is a feature, not a bug.
Edited by fredhot16 on May 16th 2022 at 5:09:23 AM
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.He actively did flood Wakanda.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Fighting Nazis is the moral equivalent of “breathing air”: congrats, you’ve hit the lowest possible bar to not be considered an inhuman wretch-and that’s being generous if we don’t look at your motives for it.
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Namor ain’t that old or unique.
Edited by fredhot16 on May 16th 2022 at 5:16:15 AM
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.

Pretty sure Dr Strange once banished Hulk to wander forever between dimensions
That seems worse
Forever liveblogging the Avengers