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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142176: May 10th 2022 at 5:42:07 PM

Ya know considering how Oscar Isaac had the time of his life doing Moon Knight completely making up with his prior terrible Disney experience in Star Wars, I wonder what roles can be given to John Boyega and Daisy Ridley.

I remember a while back there was this one rumor of Boyega playing Nova, that be a fun thought.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#142177: May 10th 2022 at 5:45:18 PM

Boyega was a popular fancast for Brother Voodoo.

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#142178: May 10th 2022 at 5:47:39 PM

[up][up] That's if they want to be in the MCU.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#142179: May 10th 2022 at 5:53:03 PM

Maybe Marvel could make John Boyega one of the X-Men, or maybe the Silver Surfer. That would be pretty neat.

As for Daisy Ridley...given that she was the main focus of the Sequel Trilogy, maybe she could be a hammy, comedic villain that isn't the Big Bad, ala the Grandmaster or Collector to contrast Rey? I dunno.

Edited by MatthewWayne on May 10th 2022 at 5:54:14 AM

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#142180: May 10th 2022 at 5:55:45 PM

Frenchie and Stained Glass Scarlet? tongue

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142181: May 10th 2022 at 6:02:53 PM

Yeah, Jericho Drumm is a good one for Boyega, or Night Thrasher. Ridley would be good as Jennifer Kale or Moondragon. Would say Prowler and Black Cat or Silver Sable, but Sony would fuck it up and so I don't want them ruined. I could also see Boyega as Ka-Zar if they want to subvert the Mighty Whitey issues.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 10th 2022 at 7:34:41 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#142182: May 10th 2022 at 6:39:28 PM

[up][up] That, or they cast him as Otacon in the Development Hell that is the Metal Gear Solid film and finally Oscar Isaac will get to have his Stormpilot OTP.

AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Otaku
#142183: May 11th 2022 at 12:59:03 AM

The Marvel Cinematic Universe should introduce heroes that existed and were active during the 1940s and 1950s such as the Whizzer, the Destroyer, and other characters. It allows them to focus on lower-stakes stories and explore historical context behind the setting of the MCU.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#142184: May 11th 2022 at 2:29:11 AM

The Whizzer was in Jessica Jones.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142185: May 11th 2022 at 3:45:09 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing an Invaders film, or possibly a Winter Guard film that goes more into Red Guardian's backstory and shows just what William Burnside was up to.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 11th 2022 at 5:11:59 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142186: May 11th 2022 at 9:29:26 AM

I always liked seeing Angel given he was one of Marvel's earliest pulp heroes and has a beautiful role in "The Marvels Project" (which basically tells his viewpoint of the rise of the modern superhero in the marvel verse's 1930's to 1940's). Straczynski also had a fantastic miniseries called "The Twelve" that was all about reevaluating obscure pulp heroes from Marvel (one of them including one of Stan Lee's earliest creations, The Witness).

I'd love to see that adapted someday.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#142188: May 11th 2022 at 10:43:24 AM

In an Entertainment Weekly interview, Ms. Marvel's comic co-creator Sana Amanat talks about adapting the character into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Topics range from Amant's opinions on actress Iman Vellani, the thought process on Kamala being influenced by MCU Carol, and the coming of age tone. Much like Feige days ago, she discusses and understands the changes done to fit the larger narrative goal of the MCU.

From what we've seen in the trailer, Kamala's powers look a little different than they did in the comics. How did you want to approach translating her powers to the screen?

Sana Amanat: Obviously, so much of the show is an adaptation, and we thought it was important to make sure that her powers are linking to larger stories in the Marvel universe. We wanted to make sure there is a little bit more story to tell after this series. Obviously, she goes into The Marvels. The powers do look different, which is very controversial. I know people are like, "How dare you change the powers!" I know people are upset about it, but as someone who's probably one of the closest people to this character from the inception, and having spoken to Willow about this as well, I think Willow and I have always felt that this made sense. This was the right move because there are bigger stories to tell.

It's really fun to give Kamala different kinds of powers that feel big in scope and cinematic in a different way. We can do a lot of fun things with her. I don't want to spoil too much about how she uses her powers, but they're fun and bouncy. At the same point, the essence of what the powers are in the comics is there, both from a metaphorical standpoint and from a visual standpoint. We're doing the embiggened fist. We're doing the elements that make her feel and look kind of crazy, but also really cool. I think it's going to be familiar to people, but at the same time, different in a fresh and unique way.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#142189: May 11th 2022 at 10:47:01 AM

[up][up] I have an admitted fondness for golden age pulp heroes. Wish we could see more of them these days.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142190: May 11th 2022 at 3:40:42 PM

Okay I just now remembered this thing on the Nova trivia page

What Could Have Been: Early drafts of the Guardians of the Galaxy movie had the Richard Rider version of Nova as a main character. Director James Gunn cut Rider from the script because he dislikes the character and because his role seemed too similar to Star-Lord's.

Wait when has that been said before? Has Gunn stated he dislikes Nova?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#142191: May 11th 2022 at 4:45:38 PM

[up] IIRC, he doesn't hate Nova. He went on record that he's read at least "75% of Nova comics" in existence, as of 2019. It was in response to a rumor that Gunn didn't know the character.

Two years earlier than that, Gunn noted that Richard Rider was a recurring character talked about in development of the Guardians series.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#142192: May 11th 2022 at 4:47:45 PM

Rich is supposed to be pretty powerful (though he only really reached that state once he moved on from the New Warriors), so it may be that classic Nova was thought to be too strong a member for a team of misfits as such as the MCU guardians.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142193: May 11th 2022 at 4:59:13 PM

Yeah, Nova is powerful enough that he could have probably won against Ronan without too much difficulty (at least before the Power Stone), he's the kind of character you introduce when the average power level is much higher.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#142194: May 11th 2022 at 5:08:11 PM

Also undoubtably Gunn wanted Quill to be the only earth guy in the movie

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#142195: May 11th 2022 at 5:12:01 PM

[up]I think I do recall hearing that.

One Strip! One Strip!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142196: May 11th 2022 at 7:55:16 PM

Yeah, I think it came down to "only Quill from Earth, no other special guys from Earth getting powers and overshadowing the cosmic-ness." It's also why Drax and Mantis had their humanity filed away.

But Marvel when Gunn started Guardians and Marvel now are two different things, and I wouldn't really be surprised if his opinion on bringing in Nova now (especially since Guardians itself is getting what's probably its final movie) is different.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 11th 2022 at 7:55:38 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142197: May 11th 2022 at 8:20:15 PM

Reminds me of a funny bit from the Guardians game where the group encounters the files for a bunch of cosmic characters, including heroes like Darkhawk, Quasar, Moondragon, and Nova himself.

Which leads to the group (mostly Rocket and Quill) making fun of how many humans there are in space despite Earth being regarded as a backwater planet and their names with Quill in particular getting incensed at being compared to them defending his similarly ludicrous name Star-Lord (which is based off a rock band he liked as a kid) cause its "actually cool while Darkhawk" "is just a bird".

The scene gets even funnier when you find out all those characters are pretty up there in the cosmic power scale and each are probably individually stronger than the entire Guardians team.

Edited by slimcoder on May 11th 2022 at 8:21:14 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#142198: May 11th 2022 at 10:18:53 PM

Peter Quill did have some awesome cosmic powers for a little bit, but they went away after they killed Ego.

ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#142199: May 12th 2022 at 3:34:18 AM

I mean, the MCU so far has done an okay, though not perfect, job of minimizing the 'earth is super-duper special and the center of the universe' which comic universes fall into pretty quickly.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#142200: May 12th 2022 at 8:36:40 AM

I goaned at the Anti Life solution being on Earth in Zack Synder Justice Leage much like the Mother Box hunt. It just seemed too convenient the planet Darkseid failed to conquest has the thing he now needs for universal domination.

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