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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#142126: May 9th 2022 at 8:56:33 AM

[up]X3: That seems to be closer to the actual intention here, since the article emphasizes some connection to Kamala's power growth tying to Monica and Carol.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on May 9th 2022 at 11:57:03 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142127: May 9th 2022 at 8:58:22 AM

From what he's saying, specifically, it sounds like they were trying to distance her as far away from her Inhuman backstory as possible, and that her powers got tied up in that.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#142128: May 9th 2022 at 9:02:14 AM

I still don't get why they can't just give her the same powers but give them a different source. She doesn't still have to be an Inhuman for her to still have stretchy/shapeshifting powers.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#142129: May 9th 2022 at 9:40:43 AM

The origin in the books kinda ties into the new Inhumans. They aren't having Inhumans popping up left and right, so they boxed themselves into this change.

Just Makima.
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#142130: May 9th 2022 at 11:17:05 AM

The timing on this is funny,because Black Bolt appeared in the most recent MCU movie, so they're not distancing themselves that much from Inhumans.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#142131: May 9th 2022 at 12:05:08 PM

[up]

He may have shown up, but I'm not sure how flattering that was to him.

One Strip! One Strip!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#142132: May 9th 2022 at 12:19:53 PM

[up] The very fact he showed up at all is flattering. Much less with having the original actor reprise his role, and in a comic-accurate suit to boot.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#142133: May 9th 2022 at 12:28:26 PM

I am not a happy bunny about show!Kamala basically being diet Captain Marvel powers-wise because of ~synergy~ with Monica and Carol.

From what I recall of her comics origin, she was at a party and she wandered off into some Terrigen mist. Later, she embiggened her hand and saved Zoe (the local performatively-caring popular girl) and her boyfriend after they got drunk and fell into a nearby lake, even though Zoe was rude to Kamala and her friends earlier in the issue. Cause, y'know, it was the right thing to do and stuff. Wonder if there'll be a similar moment in the show or if it'll be "whoops, I just developed energy powers and almost exploded my teacher".

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#142134: May 9th 2022 at 1:02:09 PM

I hope they keep it similar at least in vibe if not in word. I think it works as a really good character establishing moment for Kamala that upon getting her powers and even while being confused about what's happening, she still goes out of her way to save someone—and someone who was an asshole to her and her friends even!—when she's in danger. It just says a lot about her and the kind of hero she is.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#142135: May 9th 2022 at 1:05:19 PM

I just want one of the kiddies to come into heroism on their own. They attached Peter to Tony, Kate to Clint more than usualnote , and America to Strange.

Edited by Synchronicity on May 9th 2022 at 3:05:25 AM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142136: May 9th 2022 at 1:16:42 PM

[up]Iron Lad, Kid Loki, and Hulkling look like they'd be their own people.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#142137: May 9th 2022 at 2:57:11 PM

I think the whole "distancing from the Inhumans" thing has more to do with the whole "NuHumans as a replacement for mutants" angle, which was widely unpopular from the start, while stuff relating directly to the Royal Family within their proper niche is something they want to work to redeem, especially with the Fantastic Four on the way.

Edited by lbssb on May 9th 2022 at 2:58:17 AM

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#142138: May 9th 2022 at 3:55:44 PM

Widely is an understatement that crap made the FF lose their comics for three years after that awful movie, and mutants were being pushed into a small corner so that Inhumans would be the "starts" of dealing with racism and prejudice.

Just Makima.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142139: May 9th 2022 at 4:11:01 PM

That was a pretty huge dork age especially due to how far reaching it was.

The X-Men and FF couldn't even appear in Lego Marvel games at the time, thats how far they were trying to displace them.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#142140: May 9th 2022 at 4:15:05 PM

It wasn't the only thing that killed it, but the X-Men Ban earned a lot of the badwill that screwed Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite over. "Functions" anyone?

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#142141: May 9th 2022 at 4:23:11 PM

In retrospect the Fox ban Dork Age is fairly short, only really kicking off by 2012-2013 and with the brakes clearly being pulled with rumors of the Fox buyout by 2017-2018. But it's a period that encompasses a relative ton of Marvel media: the point where the MCU breaks through to zeitgeist dominance (Captain America: Civil War, aka the movie where the MCU gets Spider-Man), most of the runtime of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., the bombing of Inhumans, all of Marvel Universe, the lock-in of high-profile games like Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite and Marvel's Avengers, etc.

It's a good case study in how to make four years feel like forever, basically.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#142142: May 9th 2022 at 4:23:27 PM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1508798323978.jpg [up]That sums it up pretty nicely. I do think if Ms.Marvel does well they might consider giving her Inhumans like the Royal Family to hang out with for lipservice fmto her comic origins.

Edited by Mizerous on May 9th 2022 at 7:24:02 AM

Just Makima.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#142143: May 9th 2022 at 4:24:28 PM

what's happened in that picture?

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#142144: May 9th 2022 at 4:27:22 PM

[up][up] At the very least let her have Lockjaw. Because Lockjaw is the bestest boi.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142145: May 9th 2022 at 4:29:04 PM

[up][up] It was the Death of X mini-series.

Basically the Terrigen gas cloud that was spreading across the planet is poisonous to Mutants, so while the Inhumans are gaining new numbers, the Mutants are effectively being gassed to death all over the globe.

Edited by slimcoder on May 9th 2022 at 4:29:23 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#142146: May 9th 2022 at 4:32:45 PM

It really doesn't look good that their new persecuted group basically grows by gassing to death the old one. And how the Royal Family handled it was atrocious and gave them a terrible image.

And Mutants spent a lot of time basically in the edge of extinction, which wouldn't have been enjoyed by fans.

Edited by Blueace on May 9th 2022 at 7:36:10 AM

Wake me up at your own risk.
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#142147: May 9th 2022 at 4:42:25 PM

It was for mutants extinction event after extinction event. Combine that with the Roman Reigns tier Inhumans push and people just got fed up with it.

Edited by Mizerous on May 9th 2022 at 7:42:42 AM

Just Makima.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#142148: May 9th 2022 at 4:46:41 PM

[up]

When you put it that way, the Inhumans might be able to make a comeback if they are able to get the Marvel Universe to acknowledge them!tongue

Blackbolt is the head of the table after all.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#142149: May 9th 2022 at 4:46:47 PM

I remember Charles Soule who was the main writer and architect for the Inhuman titles at the time tried to compare the Mutants dying because of the gas to being akin to a peanut allergy

It was an era of faux paus all around.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#142150: May 9th 2022 at 4:53:27 PM

[up][up] I did find it funny Blackbolt was in MOM only to die by no mouth like in the Matrix. Take that Ike Perlmutter.

Edited by Mizerous on May 9th 2022 at 7:53:49 AM

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