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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I would presume so, yes. Otherwise, No Way Home would be almost as big of a "Shaggy Dog" Story as Thor: Ragnarok...
I think pondering "when" Loki changed the Sacred Timeline is asking the wrong question. There's no "when", he was operating literally outside of the parameters of time itself, there isn't a "now all timelines exist" point. After Loki's actions they always have existed. The change operates retroactively.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Me too, not exactly sure how this works from Earth-199999's perspective (though this might get explained in MoM).
Edited by lbssb on May 4th 2022 at 10:48:04 AM
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonThere's a difference between the sequential chronology here and the in-universe timeline.
The events of Loki did change the entire timeline at once. That doesn't mean that, however, back when The Avengers 1 happened the multiverse was already existence. Existence definitely changed, and had a before and after state: it means that now the events of that movie exist in a new state of existence where the multiverse exists whereas it didn't before.
Speaking fourth dimensionally, Loki's entire plot would've happened between ticks of the clock "during" Endgame.
Edited by KnownUnknown on May 4th 2022 at 11:37:04 AM
My assumption with the villains of No Way home, is that they were sent to the present with their peters. So the two timelines play out as they did anyway, with people assuming the villains are dead, and then twenty or ten years later they pop back into existence with Spidey, and they're alive and reformed.
I don't have any reason to think that other than "boy it would be simpler for the timelines if-"
Blade is property I hope will be entirely divorced from the larger MCU on introduction, even if there's an established connection with Dane Whitman.
In theory the Fantastic Four could be completely standalone, but super science and space and the cosmic is so established in the MCU I don't know if you'd even want to corner them off entirely. Even suggestions of having their oragins take place in the sixties or seventies (which I approve of) makes you think Hank and Janet should make a cameo appearance.
That's how I envision the Midnight Sons being in general - aside from their association with Strange and/or Jericho Drumm and a few cameos (I don't know why, but I envision one of them being Elsa saving Frank Castle from monsters and the two of them striking up an unlikely friendship after Frank compliments her choice in firearms), they should largely be their own part of the MCU. I envision it going like this.
- Moon Knight keeps doing his thing, probably going after either Bushman or Black Spectre.
- Blade, Elsa, and maybe Living Mummy start out together fighting Deacon Frost or Dracula, and Werewolf by Night joins them after a chance encounter (maybe Frankenstein's Monster too but that's pushing it).
- Ghost Rider (hopefully Robbie Reyes) does his thing, probably fighting Scarecrow (with Mephisto being in the picture, but he's not at full Faustian rebellion status yet).
- Strange recognizes the growing threat of Lilith (or Varnae) and begins to get his team assembled as a supernatural Avengers.
- Strange gets Blade, Elsa, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Living Mummy (and Adam if he's here), and WBN in a room together and then hits up Daimon Hellstrom and Jennifer Kale while he's at it, followed by Jen bringing along Man-Thing. The lineup is complete.
- Midnight Sons are officially a thing, time to go pull up on Lilith and/or Varnae.
Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 5th 2022 at 5:16:17 AM
Maybe I'm a bit cold in that regard, but I just do not feel the slightest bit of pity for Wanda whatsoever.
Any tragedy she suffered in her life cannot even come close to justifying the utter horror she put innocent people through.
And from what I read.....well, let's just say, it's not getting any better.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianIt's like, I'm tempted to get dragged into the whole "Boo hoo, you lost someone you loved. Welcome to the club." discourse. But I don't even think that's my real problem. It's not about whether she's good or bad or morally ambiguous, It's just that I don't find her nearly as compelling as I'm clearly supposed to.
Kaze ni Nare!Let me tell ya: I don't 100% love nor hate Wanda and Tony individually, but something I notice Wanda fans complain about is how Tony received basically no repercussions for Ultron, while Wanda is constantly demonized for her mistakes.
And yet...wasn't it Wanda's mind manipulation that encouraged Tony to build Ultron in the first place? And then she actively assisted in his agenda until she realized she wanted to make the Earth go boom?
I definitely agree that Tony's own bad decisions shouldn't automatically swept under the rug, but I don't think it's entirely fair to pin the blame entirely on him for Ultron. Just like how it's not entirely fair to blame Wanda for blowing up that Nigerian building.
As for the Westview incident...I'm still pondering on that one. Perhaps Multiverse of Madness will make me reflect on it once I see it tomorrow.
Edited by MatthewWayne on May 5th 2022 at 1:10:59 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."While Tony built Ultron, Ultron is still his own man / machine, who made his own, individual decisions.
Wanda didn't build any machine that went megalomanical. She did all the deeds herself.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
Yes, but Tony only was spurred to build Ultron after Wanda screwed with his head while wandering around in that HYDRA base in Siberia. And while Wanda didn't build Ultron, she certainly had no qualms with helping him until it didn't serve her needs, unlike Tony who tried to shut Ultron down the second he realized his creation was out of control.
Edited by MatthewWayne on May 5th 2022 at 1:19:12 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."

So since the TVA weren't able to interfere with No way Home's events, does that mean the versions of the villains who were cured are safe when they get home?
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"