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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#142001: May 3rd 2022 at 5:08:44 PM

Scott: "Holy shit, Luis, when did you become a superhero?!"

Luis: grin *bongos intensify*

Scott: ".....uh oh."

EDIT: lmao that's a page-topper [lol]

Edited by Watchtower on May 3rd 2022 at 8:30:07 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#142002: May 3rd 2022 at 5:41:30 PM

12 episodes for the Captain Universe show, 6 are starring new characters to the MCU (all powerless randos), 5 are starring powerless side-characters who have already been introduced, and 1 stars someone who is already a superhero, like Spider-Man or Captain Marvel.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#142003: May 3rd 2022 at 5:59:23 PM

Oof. This version of Carol with her own powers and the Captain Universe powers would be super broken.

She already had Thanos damn near beat if not for his Power Stone cheap shot. Add in the Captain Universe powers, and she might well be able to shit stomp a Celestial.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142004: May 3rd 2022 at 6:12:38 PM

[up]Hell, Eddie Brock as Captain Universe killed Knull, Carol could probably take on Zom, the Griever at the End of All Things, the Many-Angled Ones, or other things at that level and at least survive.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142005: May 3rd 2022 at 7:08:42 PM

[up][up][up][up] Jokes aside, that's actually a really good idea.

Like, the episode isn't Luis' adventure saving the universe as Captain Universe. The episode is Luis' story about his adventure saving the universe as Captain Universe.

That sort of thing would make a CU series shine: that every new episode, and new host, brings an entirely new personality to Captain Universe and the series itself. Some are dramatic because the host is dramatic, some are adventurous because the host is an adventurer, some are comedic because the host is comedic.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 3rd 2022 at 7:10:13 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#142006: May 3rd 2022 at 7:55:15 PM

Give the Captain Universe powers to the Vulture just to see what he does with 'em.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#142008: May 3rd 2022 at 8:04:31 PM

Some news from the head honcho himself. Apparently, Loki and Sylvie's actions are what caused Strange's spell to go wrong in No Way Home.

Which kinda makes sense in a Fridge Brilliance way: if the TVA was still active during the events of that movie, Peter wouldn't have been able to get within 3 feet of the Sanctum Sanctorum before getting arrested and reset/pruned by them. Because the likelihood of them letting something like NWH happen in the Sacred Timeline seems...pretty low.

Edited by MatthewWayne on May 3rd 2022 at 8:08:55 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#142009: May 3rd 2022 at 8:28:03 PM

So, if I'm following this right Aunt May died because the Hulk had to take the stairs. tongue

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#142010: May 3rd 2022 at 10:52:32 PM

"There's always a method to the madness, even in the multiverse, and for Marvel fans, who know that Loki and Sylvie did something at the end of that series, that sort of allowed all this to be possible. He Who Remains is gone, and that allowed a spell to go wrong in 'Spider-Man: No Way Home,' which leads to the multiverse going quite mad in this."

That doesn't mean "Loki and Sylvie directly caused Strange's spell to malfunction", it just confirms that Strange's line of "this shouldn't even be possible" was referring to the fact that the multiverse shouldn't have existed.

By the way, I literally just watched Spider-Man: No Way Home today for my birthday. Fantastic movie, loved all the references and story beats, as well as how it kept the story simple even with the multitude of characters.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#142011: May 4th 2022 at 5:30:29 AM

This is something I long theorized, lets face it the fabric of reality in the MCU has taken a huge beating in the past 5 years of the MCU

The Original Snap, The Destruction/dispersing of the Infinity Stones, The Time Heist, The Reverse Snap, Sylvie's Killing. All of that weakened reality so by the time we get to Wanda in Westview and Strange's spell in No Way Home...reality pretty much went "I'm Done!"

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142012: May 4th 2022 at 5:40:45 AM

[up]Which is why I'm on board with something like the Cancerverse, Mad Jim Jaspers, Abraxas, or some other grave multiversal/borderline omniversal threat coming along as a direct result of all the damage that has been done to reality, or even just Dormammu deciding to return or Umar thinking she'll have a go at things.

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#142013: May 4th 2022 at 7:16:29 AM

Basically, he said that if they events of Loki didn't happened, the TVA would've pruned the what happened in both Wandavisison, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness

[up][up] Eh, I don't know. The first 4 events you listed happened under HWR's watch so they probably didn't have any effect on the Sacred Timelne.

Edited by DoubleOG on May 4th 2022 at 7:16:53 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#142014: May 4th 2022 at 7:17:16 AM

So it's just a background Necessary Weasel, nothing more.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#142015: May 4th 2022 at 7:18:07 AM

I agree they needed to happen and reality would have eventually healed, however they happened in such a cosmically tiny amount of time that...reality was already strained, the actions in Loki were the straw that broke reality's back

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#142016: May 4th 2022 at 7:22:47 AM

I guess the thing I'm most curious about is...how much of Phase 4 would've happened if the events of Loki didn't change everything? I mean, Multiverse of Madness, No Way Home and What If obviously wouldn't be a thing. But what about the smaller shows like Falcon and Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, and Moon Knight? What about Eternals and Shang-Chi? Could all of these events have been permanently altered because of Loki?

Were the Eternals ever supposed to stop Tiamut? Was Shang-Chi always destined to come back to China and face his father again? Were Sam and Bucky ever supposed to fix that boat?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#142017: May 4th 2022 at 7:22:54 AM

[up][up]... But that's what you think happened and that doesn't match up to what we've seen.

Edited by DoubleOG on May 4th 2022 at 7:23:04 AM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#142018: May 4th 2022 at 7:57:42 AM

So, with Moon Knight's initial run complete, where will Layla/Scarlet Scarab fall? I don't really see her joining the Midnight Sons as a full-fledged member, but I could see her as a regular figure on the mystical side of things.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#142019: May 4th 2022 at 1:34:12 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#142020: May 4th 2022 at 5:15:22 PM

Basically, he said that if they events of Loki didn't happened, the TVA would've pruned the what happened in both Wandavisison, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness

No he didn't. He said, specifically, that the breaking ot eh Multiverse is what caused the spell in Spidey to go awry in the way it did. He didn't say anything about the TVA pruning anyone.

I'm not sure why they would've pruned anything in Wandavision anyway.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#142021: May 4th 2022 at 5:50:24 PM

Like I said before, we aren't entirely certain what should've been pruned, and what's totally fine. Though I do think the entirety of WandaVision might've been fine, given that we hear Vision saying "What if grief...if not love persevering" inside of the Sacred Timeline cyclical thing.

Outside of that and the obvious multiversal shenanigans, everything else is up in the air.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
HBarnill Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
#142022: May 4th 2022 at 6:12:55 PM

It's fascinating how much has changed since a decade ago. People assumed nothing could ever top the first Avengers. Now, it seems nothing special. It was the first movie I could recall the audience losing their minds over, before it became the MCU staple.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#142023: May 4th 2022 at 6:39:10 PM

Oh crap, today's the tenth-year anniversary of The Avengers (2012) (at least worldwide)!

It completely slipped my mind.

Edited by chasemaddigan on May 4th 2022 at 9:40:07 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#142024: May 4th 2022 at 6:57:55 PM

Huh. I thought it was in April, but I was wrong. That was just the El-Capitan Theatre.

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HBarnill Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
#142025: May 4th 2022 at 7:05:53 PM

[up] That does make more sense to count the premiere as the true anniversary.


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