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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Otaku
#141951: May 3rd 2022 at 3:25:08 AM

It's interesting to see a superhero version of an Exploitation Film resemble. Imagine a superhero movie with lurid and raw elements such as gore, zombies, bikers, cannibals and all sorts of grindhouse fodder. But I do not think it would be marketable since it would fall squarely on a hard R-rating.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141952: May 3rd 2022 at 5:42:03 AM

Stuff that could work for certain genres that haven't been covered yet:

  • Cyberpunk: Maybe 2099? Age of Apocalypse could also be this with some tweaks.
  • Jidaigeki: I feel like a Daken film or series could have strong elements of this, though this is also contingent on him being far less of a piece of shit in the MCU than he is in the comics. Wolverine too, but that's already been done in film. Maybe Psylocke?
  • Pirate: Starjammers
  • Kaiju: Monsters Unleashed
  • Pulp adventure: Savage Land
  • Supernatural detective: Elsa Bloodstone, maybe Sleepwalker?
  • Exploitation: Maybe a Ghost Rider film or series - maybe not a full-fledged exploitation film, but it could certainly have a lot of influence from grindhouse cinema.
  • Space Western: Skaar

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 3rd 2022 at 5:44:39 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#141953: May 3rd 2022 at 5:45:29 AM

Ghost Rider does feel like the type of exploitation protagonist that comes back from the dead for revenge against the people that made him a victim.

The legend has returned.
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141954: May 3rd 2022 at 5:47:35 AM

Scarecrow would make for a suitably grindhouse-esque villain too.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#141955: May 3rd 2022 at 5:56:30 AM

[up][up]Granted, the Ghost Rider isn't exactly the Crow. Ghost Rider's more of a Deal with the Devil gone wrong (not that those ever go right).

Disgusted, but not surprised
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141956: May 3rd 2022 at 6:15:25 AM

For heroic bloodshed, I could see elements of that working with Elsa Bloodstone as well, depending on how much DMC influence there is there. Her trademark dual-wielded rifles would be perfect for a gun-fu combat style, especially if there's a lot of Dante in her personality here alongside the obvious Buffy and Lara Croft.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#141957: May 3rd 2022 at 6:26:53 AM

[up] Holy shit I'm not the only one who sees Elsa as a pseudo-Dante. Thank God. waii[lol]

I mean not that there's any real basis AFAIK but dammit there should be. She's primed as hell to be doing some anime-ass shit.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#141958: May 3rd 2022 at 6:30:43 AM

I'm more used to seeing Blade compared to Dante, but Elsa does fit as well from what little I know of her.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141959: May 3rd 2022 at 6:31:20 AM

[up][up]It's how I could see her being a great foil for Blade. He's the cool, collected, pragmatic, humorless, and deadly serious vampire hunter, while she's the cocky, flashy, wisecracking monster hunter who gets shit done but makes sure she puts on a show while doing it.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on May 3rd 2022 at 6:31:31 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#141960: May 3rd 2022 at 6:33:02 AM

So basically, they'd have the same dynamic as Vergil and Dante (minus Blade fighting Elsa frequently).

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141961: May 3rd 2022 at 6:36:17 AM

[up]That or Bayonetta and Jeanne, but with the antagonism and Teeth-Clenched Teamwork switched out for a Bash Brothers dynamic.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#141962: May 3rd 2022 at 6:36:18 AM

Elsa's rather more well adjusted than Dante who is something of a Sad Clown.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Otaku
#141963: May 3rd 2022 at 6:39:44 AM

The only film genres the MCU would not tread upon are melodramas, gangster films, experimental films, spiritual films and the hard R-rated genres.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#141964: May 3rd 2022 at 6:39:50 AM

Is there even such a thing as a well adjusted monster hunter?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#141965: May 3rd 2022 at 6:51:36 AM

"More well adjusted" doesn't mean "well adjusted by average standards".

Edited by M84 on May 3rd 2022 at 9:52:12 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141967: May 3rd 2022 at 8:05:14 AM

gangster films

I could see them doing this if they ever made a Hood movie.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 3rd 2022 at 8:05:22 AM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141968: May 3rd 2022 at 8:13:59 AM

[up]I'd rather have Hood as a villain who is a threat for maybe a season of something but has his luck run out and either gets killed or has one of his patrons come to collect and can't bargain his way out this time.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#141969: May 3rd 2022 at 10:53:16 AM

The absence of legitimate superhero musicals always surprise me

...You know, people would probably make fun of it, but Batman could probably make for a pretty kickass musical if they were able to strike the right tone.

Oh God! Natural light!
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141970: May 3rd 2022 at 11:05:13 AM

In the vein of Holy Musical B@man! or more self-serious?

Edited by Synchronicity on May 3rd 2022 at 1:05:26 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#141971: May 3rd 2022 at 11:07:47 AM

I have not seen that, but while a bit of silliness is to be expected, I'd like to see them play it straight?

Oh God! Natural light!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141972: May 3rd 2022 at 11:10:29 AM

I'm not entirely sure if this entirely ties into the whole "potential new MCU genres" conversation, but I have been thinking about what Secret Invasion and/or The Marvels could take cues from, and I honestly keep thinking about how the tone of the first Captain Marvel film reminds me of Animorphs. I mean, aside from the whole teenagers turning into animals thing, the story being about a few humans and aliens in The '90s trying to stop an Alien Invasion by this genocidal imperialistic empire with unfathomable reserves is pretty similar to that book series.

It would be really neat to see Marvel explore some more themes and ideas that Animorphs introduced, particularly in Secret Invasion. The Andalites for instance, are established to be the Big Good in Animorphs, except we later find out that their military was planning to carpet bomb the entirety of Earth and "quarantine" the surviving humans just to get rid of the Yeerk threat, even though the Andalite civilians find that plan utterly horrifying. And given that paranoia is planned to be a theme in Secret Invasion, I feel that a similar concept or two could be introduced in that show. And that's just the tip of the iceberg in my opinion...

Edited by MatthewWayne on May 3rd 2022 at 11:19:54 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141973: May 3rd 2022 at 11:21:58 AM

[up]If we're gonna do 90s throwbacks, a Sleepwalker series in the vein of The X-Files, Quantum Leap, and other monster/problem of the week works from that era would be a lot of fun.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141974: May 3rd 2022 at 11:25:19 AM

It would be really neat to see Marvel explore some more themes and ideas that Animorphs introduced

More gore and aliens flipping out over cinnamon buns and dying to oatmeal

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 3rd 2022 at 11:25:48 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#141975: May 3rd 2022 at 11:35:09 AM

Secret Invasion will probably end up dealing with more ambiguity than Moon Knight, honestly.

Given the creative forces behind the show, I fully expect some characters to be revealed to be Skrulls a few episodes or so in the series, with reveals both in the sense of a human transforming into their Skrull form, and vice-versa. Possibly even Skrulls impersonating each other


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