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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#141876: May 1st 2022 at 8:17:23 AM

[up] If he's under the symbiote's influence, learning more about the bad stuff Tony did when he was alive could fuel some Broken Pedestal-style resentment, and add to his unhinged mental state.

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#141877: May 1st 2022 at 8:30:41 AM

[up] Especially if it's provided by one of Beck's former crew members - the revelation of "Beck was more right about some things than you know or want to believe" would be particularly traumatic.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141879: May 1st 2022 at 9:56:31 AM

I dunno if I want a "Peter gets corrupted by the symbiote" film, simply because we've already had that movie (not to mention in every Spider-Man show since the 90's that made it past one season). It's low hanging fruit, and imo it'd be better if they went for something new and refocused on the story they've already set up - so the symbiote stinger felt like kind of a waste of a plot hook to me.

The only things they can really do there that haven't been well worn at this point yet are Agent Venom (and MCU Flash is... not a great character for that) and Venom Scorpion (and the general reaction I see to that from people is "yeah, that makes sense. I wouldn't like it, tho")

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 1st 2022 at 9:59:08 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#141880: May 1st 2022 at 10:00:17 AM

Revealing that Tony was the villain all along (albeit one who tried to do good, wanted to help people, and failed most of the time) would be pretty easy.

Like, Tony is dead now, so he can't defend himself. As much as I enjoy twisting everything to make Stark the real bad guy, I also acknowledge that he is, to some extent, self aware enough that he probably wouldn't even argue against any claims that maybe he was the worse one.

Most of the time, he hated himself that much.

As a slight aside, here's a video about how Wanda is not the villain, and that Tony is the real bad guy (among other things) from Screen Crush.

With Multiverse of Madness coming out, I feel like this is somewhat relevant. I've listened to it once before, and am listening to it again as I write this. Not sure how much of it I agree with, I do like the idea of blaming Tony for everything. That's always fun.

Edited by HandsomeRob on May 1st 2022 at 10:00:33 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141881: May 1st 2022 at 10:01:52 AM

Revealing that Tony was the villain all along (albeit one who tried to do good, wanted to help people, and failed most of the time) would be pretty easy.

Like, Tony is dead now, so he can't defend himself.

Tony being dead would make a twist like that harder to land, not easier. Easier to write, maybe, but harder to actually deliver.

It would probably break a lot of suspension of disbelief if we just suddenly got retcons about how awful the character was without the character even being there to do something to justify that shift.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 1st 2022 at 10:02:27 AM

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#141883: May 1st 2022 at 10:12:03 AM

The MCU's best off moving on from Tony Stark. He's dead now. He can stop being the center of the universe.

Wakanda, in fact, was supposed to be the new center of the universe. But that's, uh, been complicated given Chadwick Boseman's tragic passing and Letitia Wright outing herself as an antivaxxer.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#141884: May 1st 2022 at 10:14:23 AM

Fair enough.

Damn you Tony. You've stolen my greatest joy.

A villain right to the end.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#141886: May 1st 2022 at 11:12:48 AM

Who also has a controversial actor behind him x)

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#141887: May 1st 2022 at 11:20:55 AM

Robert Downey Jr. is controversial?

But yeah, we still have Star Lord, who's got issues both in and out of universe. It's bound to be that no matter what they do with him, there'd probably going to be a shit storm.

Some of it is due to what Pratt has or hasn't done, some of it is because of who he is (since the man child attitude he has as Starlord is at least in part him).

I'm not getting too deep into this. If he turns out to be an asshole and the evidence is 100% indisputable, then we destroy him as we've destroyed the other assholes.

If not....then we'll see.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#141888: May 1st 2022 at 11:27:33 AM

Crunchy rodent is the controversial one.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#141889: May 1st 2022 at 11:42:41 AM

I meant "also" in regards to Letitia Wright.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#141890: May 1st 2022 at 11:50:21 AM

I said this before on one thread asking who could be T’Challa’s replacement and I still think there really isn’t.

T’Challa himself is such a particular protagonist that he really can’t be succeeded by anyone. A stoic self-serious hyper tactician who’s makes a hundred plans every day to protect the world through any means possible.

Which granted T’Challa wasn’t that exactly himself in the first movie but people were expecting him to grow into his cool mature self. Meanwhile I can’t really imagine Shuri, Okoye, Naki, or M’Baku as very manipulative.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#141891: May 1st 2022 at 11:50:26 AM

I think Doctor Strange is probably going to be the new centre in the immediate future, given how much Marvel have been pushing him.

But I agree it should have been T'challa.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#141892: May 1st 2022 at 11:56:52 AM

I feel like given the runaway success of Black Panther marvel was definitely planning on putting the character (and possibly Ryan Coogler) front and center, but now they're waiting to see if Wakanda Forever can ride it out of the tragedy.

The MCU is always looking for one director to be the "steward" of their tentpole films. It originally was Joss Whedon, then it shifted to the Russo Brothers after the runaway success of the Winter Soldier. I feel like there's a good chance Coogler might have taken that role after the Russos (I don't know if he'd even accept the offer, of course) if tragedy hadn't struck.

Right now a lot of things are in the air due a mix of tragedy, COVID-19 whiplashes, the Disney plus shenanigans and the general aftermath of the Infinity Saga.

Edited by Gaon on May 1st 2022 at 11:57:40 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141893: May 1st 2022 at 12:03:08 PM

Wakanda, in fact, was supposed to be the new center of the universe. But that's, uh, been complicated given Chadwick Boseman's tragic passing and Letitia Wright outing herself as an antivaxxer.

My heart often weeps about the push they were giving Black Panther that probably just... isn't going to happen now.

Like, we'll get more Panther stuff for sure, but with the increasing mess that is the production of the sequel, the who-knows-what-is-going-on nature of the tv show, and the fact that they're establishing several clear areas of focus for the future of the MCU now and Wakanda hasn't been part of any of them, just makes it look like what would've been something major has fizzled.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#141894: May 1st 2022 at 12:09:07 PM

I wonder if that World of Wakanda Disney+ show is still in production.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141895: May 1st 2022 at 12:25:47 PM

Hey when they gonna commission a Black Panther game from Insomniac.

They are already working on a Wolverine game.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#141896: May 1st 2022 at 3:28:55 PM

I know I'm gonna sound like a broken record here, but with how much goodwill the Black Panther movie had quickly built up, and how much its future collapsed almost just as quickly, I do have to wonder if there's some sort of curse and/or conspiracy to prevent the franchise from truly flourishing after the first film came out.

Like, yeah it's probably just a bunch of bad luck and timing, and there's nothing anyone can do. But part of me just wants to point my finger at something, ya know?

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#141897: May 1st 2022 at 3:44:04 PM

Well, something's gotta replace the Superman Curse.

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#141898: May 1st 2022 at 3:50:02 PM

I don't think there's some grand conspiracy going on, it's just several things happening that no one saw coming.

Personally, I would save the Black Panther talk until we get a trailer for Wakanda Forever because we don't know anything about this movie.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#141899: May 1st 2022 at 4:20:20 PM

Yeah. It was just poor timing.

It was a depressing way for things to go, but it happens.

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#141900: May 1st 2022 at 4:28:30 PM

[up][up]Well, we know that it was going to star Chadwick Boseman as T'Challa, and we know it won't anymore. That's not a lot, but it's not good.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 1st 2022 at 4:29:04 AM


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