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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I dunno if I want a "Peter gets corrupted by the symbiote" film, simply because we've already had that movie (not to mention in every Spider-Man show since the 90's that made it past one season). It's low hanging fruit, and imo it'd be better if they went for something new and refocused on the story they've already set up - so the symbiote stinger felt like kind of a waste of a plot hook to me.
The only things they can really do there that haven't been well worn at this point yet are Agent Venom (and MCU Flash is... not a great character for that) and Venom Scorpion (and the general reaction I see to that from people is "yeah, that makes sense. I wouldn't like it, tho")
Edited by KnownUnknown on May 1st 2022 at 9:59:08 AM
Revealing that Tony was the villain all along (albeit one who tried to do good, wanted to help people, and failed most of the time) would be pretty easy.
Like, Tony is dead now, so he can't defend himself. As much as I enjoy twisting everything to make Stark the real bad guy, I also acknowledge that he is, to some extent, self aware enough that he probably wouldn't even argue against any claims that maybe he was the worse one.
Most of the time, he hated himself that much.
As a slight aside, here's a video about how Wanda is not the villain, and that Tony is the real bad guy (among other things) from Screen Crush.
With Multiverse of Madness coming out, I feel like this is somewhat relevant. I've listened to it once before, and am listening to it again as I write this. Not sure how much of it I agree with, I do like the idea of blaming Tony for everything. That's always fun.
Edited by HandsomeRob on May 1st 2022 at 10:00:33 AM
One Strip! One Strip!Like, Tony is dead now, so he can't defend himself.
Tony being dead would make a twist like that harder to land, not easier. Easier to write, maybe, but harder to actually deliver.
It would probably break a lot of suspension of disbelief if we just suddenly got retcons about how awful the character was without the character even being there to do something to justify that shift.
Edited by KnownUnknown on May 1st 2022 at 10:02:27 AM
The MCU's best off moving on from Tony Stark. He's dead now. He can stop being the center of the universe.
Wakanda, in fact, was supposed to be the new center of the universe. But that's, uh, been complicated given Chadwick Boseman's tragic passing and Letitia Wright outing herself as an antivaxxer.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Fair enough.
Damn you Tony. You've stolen my greatest joy.
A villain right to the end.
One Strip! One Strip!Robert Downey Jr. is controversial?
But yeah, we still have Star Lord, who's got issues both in and out of universe. It's bound to be that no matter what they do with him, there'd probably going to be a shit storm.
Some of it is due to what Pratt has or hasn't done, some of it is because of who he is (since the man child attitude he has as Starlord is at least in part him).
I'm not getting too deep into this. If he turns out to be an asshole and the evidence is 100% indisputable, then we destroy him as we've destroyed the other assholes.
If not....then we'll see.
One Strip! One Strip!I said this before on one thread asking who could be T’Challa’s replacement and I still think there really isn’t.
T’Challa himself is such a particular protagonist that he really can’t be succeeded by anyone. A stoic self-serious hyper tactician who’s makes a hundred plans every day to protect the world through any means possible.
Which granted T’Challa wasn’t that exactly himself in the first movie but people were expecting him to grow into his cool mature self. Meanwhile I can’t really imagine Shuri, Okoye, Naki, or M’Baku as very manipulative.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I feel like given the runaway success of Black Panther marvel was definitely planning on putting the character (and possibly Ryan Coogler) front and center, but now they're waiting to see if Wakanda Forever can ride it out of the tragedy.
The MCU is always looking for one director to be the "steward" of their tentpole films. It originally was Joss Whedon, then it shifted to the Russo Brothers after the runaway success of the Winter Soldier. I feel like there's a good chance Coogler might have taken that role after the Russos (I don't know if he'd even accept the offer, of course) if tragedy hadn't struck.
Right now a lot of things are in the air due a mix of tragedy, COVID-19 whiplashes, the Disney plus shenanigans and the general aftermath of the Infinity Saga.
Edited by Gaon on May 1st 2022 at 11:57:40 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."My heart often weeps about the push they were giving Black Panther that probably just... isn't going to happen now.
Like, we'll get more Panther stuff for sure, but with the increasing mess that is the production of the sequel, the who-knows-what-is-going-on nature of the tv show, and the fact that they're establishing several clear areas of focus for the future of the MCU now and Wakanda hasn't been part of any of them, just makes it look like what would've been something major has fizzled.
I know I'm gonna sound like a broken record here, but with how much goodwill the Black Panther movie had quickly built up, and how much its future collapsed almost just as quickly, I do have to wonder if there's some sort of curse and/or conspiracy to prevent the franchise from truly flourishing after the first film came out.
Like, yeah it's probably just a bunch of bad luck and timing, and there's nothing anyone can do. But part of me just wants to point my finger at something, ya know?
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."I don't think there's some grand conspiracy going on, it's just several things happening that no one saw coming.
Personally, I would save the Black Panther talk until we get a trailer for Wakanda Forever because we don't know anything about this movie.
"And nobody, in all of Oz, no wizard that is or was, is ever gonna bring ME DOWN!"Yeah. It was just poor timing.
It was a depressing way for things to go, but it happens.
One Strip! One Strip!

If he's under the symbiote's influence, learning more about the bad stuff Tony did when he was alive could fuel some Broken Pedestal-style resentment, and add to his unhinged mental state.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."