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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Rhino traditionally has massive superhuman strength that is at least in the ballpark of the Thing or Colossus.
There was a reason Rhino was a Hulk rogue for a bit.
Though I'm guess that era where he was strong enough to challenge the green guy didn't last long.
I'm pretty sure Rhino would get flattened by Thor, the Submariner or even the Thing.
One Strip! One Strip!Spidey has a Rogues Gallery on par with Batman so it's fitting that they branch out far beyond him.
Could you imagine a What If where the NWH villains don't get saved, and are allowed to wreak havoc across the MCU? That would be pretty awesome, not gonna lie...
Like, imagine the Goblin vs. Daredevil, or Electro vs. Sam Wilson.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Apr 30th 2022 at 6:39:52 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Indeed.
Rhino fought the Hulk. Sandman was an FF rogue for a long time.
And of course, Kingpin swapped to Daredevil for a bit, but still runs afoul of Peter quite often.
As I understand it, Peter and Matt have fought each other's rogues a few times. Mysterio targeted Matt during the time Ben Reily was Spider-Man, Electro used to also be a Daredevil rogue while he was a Spider-Man rogue in his early years.
And of course, Beetle was a Spider-Man foe, but also a regular member of the Masters of Evil, who were Avengers enemies.
Spidey villains tend to have the greatest ability to branch out and fight other heroes.
One Strip! One Strip!I'd still like to see the Sinister Six fight the Avengers again.
Not the current team that's stacked with big guns but one of the more mixed rosters.
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That'd be cool.
Oh hell, I totally forgot about Arcade. Started as a Spidey foe, branched out into fighting the X-men, and apparently still alternates between them.
I'm disappointed he didn't show up in the Spider-Man and the X-Men comic book, considering that was all about mashing up spidey rogues with X-men foes (Sauron and Stegron teamed up, Mr. Sinister formed Sinster's Six, and shite like that).
One Strip! One Strip!If they do end up going the symbiote route, it would be interesting to see Matt fight Peter while under its influence, thus technically fighting a version of Venom, but making it more personal since Matt knows that Spider-Man isn't himself. Bonus points if they do it in his church like how Rami-Peter fought off his symbiote in his universe.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Apr 30th 2022 at 6:54:03 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."That'd be difficult.
Peter's a lot stronger than Matt normally (though Matt has the better senses....and reflexes is\f No Way Home is anything to go by) but the Symbiote ups his strength quite a bit as I understand it.
Though he might still be able to pull it off if he's aware of the fire and sonics weakness.
One Strip! One Strip!
Does Daredevil have a weakness to sonic attacks as well? I haven't ever seen or read about it, but given that Matt's reliant on his hearing, amongst his other Super-Senses, it would be a neat mutual weakness to exploit.
Speaking of Daredevil, you guys know something about the MCU that lives rent-free in my head?
The fact that the MCU doesn't really need to prove it's better than the pre-MCU movies to be great, but when it does, it just works.
Like, take the "I didn't kill your father" stock line. When Matt Murdock says it in the pre-MCU Daredevil movie, Elektra just declares "Liar!" So generic. No punch. Bleh.
But when Bucky says it in Captain America: Civil War? T'Challa just asks "Then why did you run?" Way more punch! Way more bite! Like by then, we know Bucky did not kill T'Chaka, but when T'Challa drops that question, we're like "oh damn, he's got a point."
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 30th 2022 at 12:51:43 PM
Even putting aside the real blood on Bucky's hands, it's kind of a dumb question for T'challa to ask. If he's truly innocent, of course he's going to run from the Vibranium-fursuit claw guy who believes otherwise and is trying to kill him.
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on May 1st 2022 at 4:11:16 AM
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!I'm feeling like the next Holland-Spidey movie should, if anything, have Peter turn into more and more of a Villain Protagonist as the symbiote takes hold and he grows progressively more violent and unhinged, and the designated antagonist would eventually team up with the other heroes to stop him once they realize just how out of control he is. This would probably be a good place for at least some of the Netflix heroes to cross over - Matt would be great for this, as mentioned above, and Frank and Jess could also reasonably get involved here.
I would rather watch a faithful adaptation of the Black Suit Saga. Although I wish for an adaptation of Secret Wars involving various variants from the MCU.
Because then the films would have to be beholden to whatever wild shit the comics come up with. This could especially become a problem for films mid-development. Nobody wants to be three years into production of a movie, be in the middle of filming, and then be told, "Yeah, so, Silver Surfer #37 just revealed that America Chavez is secretly an evil space goat planning to conquer the multiverse. And she's dead now. So you're going to need to change your movie to account for that. Have fun!"
No producer or director worth their salt would ever enslave their movies to... whatever the comics think continuity is this week. Absolutely not.
Hell, it sucks just writing a comic when another writer does that to a character you're using and now you have to account for it. But at least comics have a production time of a couple weeks, not several years.
Edited by TobiasDrake on May 1st 2022 at 7:29:32 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.And they do it with more warning. I cannot emphasize how much it sucks to have to change your story because of what some other writer did. That rarely happens in the MCU because characters aren't usually in multiple productions at the same time, and when they are, it's by design.
The people making Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. were informed that Winter Soldier was going to blow up their premise in the first season when they were making it. They didn't get 15 episodes in and then get told that. But comics come out so rapidly and with so little notice.
You could start making an Iron Man film today. By the time it comes out, Tony Stark has died, passed his torch to a successor, established that successor as a significant hero, been revealed to have been replaced by a Skrull, been rescued and become a duo team along with his previous successor, and then traveled to another dimension chasing an eldritch horror.
By the time the film hits theaters, Iron Man and Iron Kid are multiversal Avengers who fight time-traveling space horrors. Comics move so fucking fast. Much faster than film does.
And this happens even to comic writers. J. Michael Straczynski was writing a Spider-Man story about Peter becoming apprenticed to Tony Stark when they had a creative meeting and told him, "Yeah, Tony's going to be the villain for the next big Marvel event."
And you can tell exactly how JMS felt about having that dumped on the story he was trying to tell, because he later wrote a comic that's literally 22 pages of Thor beating the shit out of Iron Man while calling him a trash character.
Edited by TobiasDrake on May 1st 2022 at 7:41:12 AM
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