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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141776: Apr 28th 2022 at 8:44:52 AM

Hasn't the unique thing been dropped due to MAC appearing in animated adaptations and pending appearing in the MCU?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141777: Apr 28th 2022 at 8:49:51 AM

Not really? Her appearances outside of comics aren’t really counted as part of the “same” Multiverse, and it’d be too much work to keep them consistent. MCU Mac and comics Mac couldn’t ever be the same because then she would age in real time and have to tie in to whatever goes on in the movies. As far as the comics themselves are concerned, she’s unique to that Marvel setting.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 28th 2022 at 8:53:22 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141778: Apr 28th 2022 at 8:52:49 AM

So there's a multi-multiverse?

Funny that DC is part of the marvel comics multiverse but the MCU isn't.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#141779: Apr 28th 2022 at 11:04:10 AM

As I said several months ago, it has always seemed to me that for narrative purposes, adaptations are treated as distinct multiverses.

So we have the comic book multiverse, the video game multiverse, the animated series multiverse, and the movie multiverse.

Even: The peter from the Unlimited series is treated as a separate entity from the Red Shirt who was killed in the event, even though they are assumed to be the same Peter.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Peter_Parker_(Earth-751263)

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Peter_Parker_(Earth-7831)

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Also Spider-man and his amazing friends from the animated series and the Red Shirts who died in the same event are also officially in separate universes.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Apr 28th 2022 at 11:15:51 AM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#141780: Apr 28th 2022 at 11:55:16 AM

[up] It's simultaneously the least complicated way when it comes to not thinking about it at all and the most complicated when you actually have to parse it, lol.

I find math to be what helps here, specifically set theory. What is a multiverse but a collection or set of universes. And it can be infinitely large, and you can have another multiverse that's differently infinitely large, and maybe they "intersect" by sharing universes between themselves. Could even go wilder and presume there are sets of sets, multiverses of multiverses.

Brain blast baybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [lol]

But yeah I've reasoned myself that the main MCU earth is likely Earth-616 within its own multiverse but Earth-199999 within the grander multiverse of all Marvel properties, just because it ironically makes things simpler for the MCU to operate within its own bubble. Like imagine an attempt at Spider-Verse that tries to reconcile together the original comics storyline and Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions and ITSV and NWH and that one dimensional arc from the 90s cartoon and oh no I've gone cross-eyed.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#141781: Apr 28th 2022 at 12:07:48 PM

How does someone being unique in the multiverse work when any trip back in time creates a new branch to the multiverse? Like, whenever time travelers go into the past, does she just inexplicably disappear as soon as the timelines diverge?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141782: Apr 28th 2022 at 12:14:10 PM

We haven’t seen how Chavez’s uniqueness works out in regards to time travel.

I assume she “disappears” from one timeline while occupying another.

I forgot, we have, in her first solo; she traveled to her past for a bit. So as long as the time travel is to the past there can be more of her. After that, who knows.

(Plugging my fanfic about how being one in the multiverse means issues for her dating life. tongue )

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 28th 2022 at 12:23:58 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#141783: Apr 28th 2022 at 1:52:08 PM

[up][up][up]There's also how Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield were canonically present in Spider-Verse (they didn't show up on-panel, but were directly referenced as two Spideys who looked like "the guy from Seabiscut" and "the guy from The Social Network"), but of course NWH has them both clearly having not experienced that.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#141785: Apr 28th 2022 at 4:01:00 PM

Well, it's a multiverse. There's probably countless versions of Peter sharing any particular look. Hell, there's probably countless universes that are effectively identical besides some quantum difference somewhere in space that had no effect on anything.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#141786: Apr 28th 2022 at 4:58:16 PM

Honestly, if a Peter from an animated, video game or cinematic universe appears in a comic, chances are it will end up being an alternate version, rather than the original.

So my position is still present that the adaptations are a different multiverse.

Which makes me happy, I don't want the comics to kill off one of my childhood Peters, just to create shock value.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Apr 28th 2022 at 4:58:46 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141787: Apr 28th 2022 at 4:59:18 PM

That is exactly what the original Spider-Verse did.

Dan Slott is very heavy on the shock value.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141788: Apr 28th 2022 at 5:01:52 PM

And his amazing friends Spider Man died, along with his amazing friends. The fruit pie shilling spider man died.

60s and 90s animated Spider Men lived and were recruited into the fight by Miles

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 28th 2022 at 8:02:10 AM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#141789: Apr 28th 2022 at 5:25:07 PM

I honestly wouldn't be surprised, if they had killed off the cinematic Peters for shock value, only to be revealed shortly after to be alternate Peters.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Apr 28th 2022 at 5:25:30 AM

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#141790: Apr 29th 2022 at 2:17:56 PM

Jon Watts has departed from his director status for Fantastic Four.

Nothing sinister here; Watts just needs a break from the superhero realm after completing the Spidey trilogy with Tom Holland and Zendaya.

Both Watts and Marvel confirmed his exit, and said that it is amicable.

Said Kevin Feige, president, Marvel Studios and Louis D’Esposito, co-president, Marvel Studios: “Collaborating with Jon on the Spider-Man films has been a true pleasure. We were looking forward to continuing our work with him to bring the Fantastic Four into the MCU but understand and are supportive of his reasons for stepping away. We are optimistic that we will have the opportunity to work together again at some point down the road.

Watts said that “Making three Spider-Man films was an incredible and life changing experience for me. I’m eternally grateful to have been a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe for seven years. I’m hopeful we’ll work together again and I can’t wait to see the amazing vision for Fantastic Four brought to life.”

Sony and its Spider-Man producers have made it clear they expect to reunite Watts with Holland ad Zendaya to continue the series. Watts hasn’t officially dropped out of that franchise, but if it were to happen, it does sound like it would be down the road.

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The Tapestry Weaver
#141791: Apr 29th 2022 at 2:23:58 PM

[up] Eh, I guess that's fair. Given the pandemic and the tumultuous production of No Way Home, everyone involved taking a break might be for the best. And given the next Spider-Man trilogy has a nice gap between it and the Home trilogy, I think it's best to take advantage of that.

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HBarnill Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
#141792: Apr 29th 2022 at 3:34:23 PM

Speaking of F4, my new pick for Sue is now Jodie Comer. She's been said to be the Emily Blunt of our generation and is on a roll these days so it makes sense.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/d563b172_9f39_4d32_8bcf_390f24d69815.png

Edited by HBarnill on Apr 29th 2022 at 3:50:25 AM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141793: Apr 29th 2022 at 4:35:00 PM

[up]Jesus Castro still gets my vote for Doom.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141794: Apr 29th 2022 at 11:02:03 PM

Hasn't the unique thing been dropped due to MAC appearing in animated adaptations and pending appearing in the MCU?

Plus her being unique in the multiverse was retconned in her last mini series, along with her origin.

Plus there have been alternate versions of America Chavez before.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141795: Apr 29th 2022 at 11:10:00 PM

I presume they’ll retcon it back to sync with the MCU. Or at least I hope so.

Barring the Marvel Rising comic (which one could write off as isolated since that America doesn’t have portal powers), she’s never had a variant appear, not when Mother summoned hundreds of the Young Avengers, nor in the 2015 Secret Wars. So across the wider span of her history her uniqueness is pretty consistent.

EDIT: Whoops, fixed.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 29th 2022 at 11:18:10 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141797: Apr 29th 2022 at 11:36:48 PM

she’s never had a variant appear

She has, like Captain America Chavez and the one from Captain Marvel: The End.

Carol even visited the reality from The End in her own book.

There was also a variant in Age of Ultron.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 30th 2022 at 4:27:49 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141799: Apr 29th 2022 at 11:46:32 PM

Wait are timelines counted?

Like would a theoretical possible future count as an alternate universe? What if you get a time machine, go to multiple points in the future, and gather a bunch of Chavez's?

Like the latter is something the something one Thor run did, with a past Thor, present Thor, and Future Thor all interacting together multiple times.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 29th 2022 at 11:46:55 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#141800: Apr 30th 2022 at 1:21:29 AM

As I understood it, MAC only existed in one possible future.

Which implies that if ever the timeline was changed, even for incidental reasons, MAC would spontaneously disappear.


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