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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141751: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:14:42 PM

In awkward news.

"James Gunn defends Chris Pratt against call to replace him in 'Guardians of the Galaxy'"

"Guardians of the Galaxy" director James Gunn is defending Chris Pratt in the face of social media chatter that he should be replaced as the star of the franchise. It all began over the weekend with a tweet suggesting that Marvel should replace Pratt with Patrick Wilson.

Some on Twitter piled on, turning the conversation to Pratt's alleged association with a church that has supported gay conversion therapy. Gunn was not having it and tweeted in response, "For what? Because of your made-up, utterly-false beliefs about him?"

"For something that someone else told you about him that's not true?," Gunn tweeted. "Chris Pratt would never be replaced as Star-Lord but, if he ever was, we would all be going with him."

Gunn reiterated his support for Pratt in another response.

"I know the church he currently goes to," Gunn tweeted. "Do you? (The answer is you don't, but you heard from someone who heard from someone who heard from someone where he goes to church, so decided, "yeah, okay, I'll believe this terrible thing I heard online about this celebrity!")"

In 2019, Pratt denied the claim that he was a member of an anti-LGBTQ+ church. "It has recently been suggested that I belong to a church which 'hates a certain group of people' and is 'infamously anti —LGBTQ,'" Pratt posted on social media. "Nothing could be further from the truth. I go to a church that opens their doors to absolutely everyone."

Pratt supported Gunn in 2018 after the director was fired from the "Guardians" franchise after a number of controversial tweets from his past resurfaced. Gunn was later reinstated.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 27th 2022 at 8:15:04 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#141752: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:18:21 PM

I mean do we buy that

Even a little bit

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#141753: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:43:48 PM

Is Gunn trying to suggest Pratt isn't a part of Hillsong anymore or something? Or is he trying to deny Hillsong is homophobic?

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141754: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:45:25 PM

From what he's saying, it sounds like he's trying to claim the former.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 27th 2022 at 8:45:36 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#141755: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:51:54 PM

Hmm.

It's a risky move, but I believe Pratt was among those who supported Gunn when he was fired for those old tweets, so I get why he'd return the favour.

As I understand it, the real issue was that Pratt didn't denounce the church for their anti-LGBTQ claims, while still being part of it.

I'm worried Gunn's backing the wrong horse here, but at the same time I again can't blame him since Pratt stood by him for his past mistakes.

How much do we 100% know about what Pratt did or didn't do? I want to be sure of this.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141756: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:52:55 PM

You really do not want to look at the churches' Wikipedia page.

There is a lot of controversies holy crap.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#141757: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:54:34 PM

That's not a good sign.

If they're that bad, no wonder Pratt even breathing the same air as them got him a target painted on his back.

Oh shit. You backed the wrong horse James Gunn. You backed the wrong horse.

One Strip! One Strip!
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#141758: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:59:51 PM

This is a textbook nontroversy.

Filming of Guardians 3 is due to end next month. The idea that Gunn might replace Pratt (which he can't really do anyway even if he wanted to) at this point is beyond laughable.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141759: Apr 27th 2022 at 9:31:20 PM

As someone who is on Twitter I get the feeling that the regular dunking on Pratt is only in part the church thing; most of it is just taking the not-uncommon opinion that he is the least likable/charismatic of the Chrises and running with it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#141760: Apr 27th 2022 at 9:41:07 PM

I kinda get that feeling as well.

Like, the thing with the church is just extra ammo that may be legitimate. It seems people just find him to be a bit of a prick.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#141761: Apr 27th 2022 at 9:41:16 PM

Either way, I'm not sure that we need to import twitter drama here for what is the opposite of news.

"Actor in movie role stays in that movie role" doesn't really need a signal boost here, does it?

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#141762: Apr 27th 2022 at 9:43:01 PM

most of it is just taking the not-uncommon opinion that he is the least likable/charismatic of the Chrises and running with it.

Chris Pine is less charismatic than the other Hollywood Chrises. Pratt just gets mocked for playing the same archetype in many movies and being overhyped by the media.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#141763: Apr 27th 2022 at 10:14:09 PM

A lot of it is also frustration at Pratt being bizarrely overexposed to the point of snagging roles he's not considered good enough for due to having a rather limited and uninteresting acting range. If Hollywood is going to promote an actor so hard, at least choose someone who handle it.

Edit: [nja]

Edited by AlleyOop on Apr 27th 2022 at 2:31:01 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141764: Apr 27th 2022 at 10:16:32 PM

I think his only role where he doesn't play a dumb manchild was going full serious action hero in The Tomorrow War...... which wasn't really good.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#141765: Apr 27th 2022 at 10:45:12 PM

He's just an overrated homophobic hack.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#141766: Apr 27th 2022 at 11:32:47 PM

It doesn't help that according to miscellaneous gossip he's apparently as much of a manchild in his private life as he is in the films, which puts his ability to actually act in question.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#141767: Apr 28th 2022 at 12:14:15 AM

His involvement in his church is definatly a red flag, and reason to keep a close eye on him, but he has never actually expressed homophobic views or done any kind of homophobic actions. This isn't the first time that people that work with Chris have publically critised the perception of him as being homophobic as not reflecting Chriss' actions.

He might well secretly be homophobic but I'm really not interested in critising public figures for beliefs they might secretly hold when they have no history of acting on them.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#141768: Apr 28th 2022 at 12:18:28 AM

The fact he got defensive about Hillsong back in 2019 and denied it was homophobic is the action.

It's not much better anyway if it's a case of the homophobia not being a deal-breaker for him than it being the main draw for him.

Edited by M84 on Apr 29th 2022 at 3:21:06 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#141769: Apr 28th 2022 at 12:21:47 AM

Honestly I feel like there's enough reason to dislike or be at least mildly annoyed with him even beyond the Hillsong stuff. And the fact that he's not willing to disown the homophobia stuff in favor of bland apologetics even as the church has been documented to engage in cultish behavior suggests he's either implicitly OK with it and has a strange standard of what constitutes homophobia, willfully in denial, or is literally brainwashed (which is somewhat pitiable but doesn't really excuse his other spoilt behavior considering it's what led to his divorce with Anna Faris and subsequent fall into the church's hands).

Edited by AlleyOop on Apr 28th 2022 at 3:24:14 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141770: Apr 28th 2022 at 12:27:37 AM

There is an unfortunate irony to all this considering Star Lord is officially, albeit very recently, bisexual in the comics.

At the very least the Star Chode really is a truly fitting designation for him.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 28th 2022 at 12:28:12 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Murataku HYAH! from Straya Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
HYAH!
#141772: Apr 28th 2022 at 2:55:31 AM

I don't see why that means anything? He doesn't control what his brother does.

You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#141773: Apr 28th 2022 at 3:25:31 AM

The recent retcon in the comics overcorrected by making her just an enhanced human and the Utopian Plane not real, which made her backstory far less compelling and creative.

How exactly was it less compelling and creative?

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#141774: Apr 28th 2022 at 7:23:24 AM

[up][up] Yeah, not a fan of guilt-by-association either .

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141775: Apr 28th 2022 at 8:43:21 AM

[up][up]It’s like “what if Wonder Woman actually hallucinated Thermiscira and really she was just an average kid whose parents foolishly had undergo shady medical experiments and then were gunned down in a shootout. Also she has a secret evil sister who-“

It’s bleh. It takes a cool cosmic setting and replaces it with grimdark straight out of a bad Sherlock episode. America Chavez’s deal was that she was inspired by her superhero mothers who saved the Multiverse and became one with it; making it that she imagined all that feels like a cruel retcon. And it doesn’t fix anything, she’s still generically Latina with no specific culture and now her backstory is tied to violence.

It also makes no sense with prior stories. If she’s not from a magic dimension made by Billy Kaplan, how does she know he’ll become the Demiurge in the future? Did her grandma have the exact same delusion? And how come she’s still unique in the Multiverse?

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 28th 2022 at 8:44:21 AM


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