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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141726: Apr 24th 2022 at 2:31:53 PM

[up]Namor is rumored to appear and I could easily see him being the villain just by being the colossal douche he usually is.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141727: Apr 24th 2022 at 4:28:54 PM

Until we get more information on the film, it's anyone's guess.

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#141728: Apr 24th 2022 at 4:29:41 PM

Reverend Achebe would be the educated guess based on comics history, but that's a shot in the dark.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141729: Apr 24th 2022 at 4:47:26 PM

I take it that T'Challa fighting the KKK won't be happening anytime soon, as much as I would love to see that.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141730: Apr 24th 2022 at 6:25:59 PM

Achebe is basically the biggest Black Panther villain that wasn’t already in BP 2, but that’s still just an educated guess as stated.

They could also specifically try to adapt a particular story arc and bring in a particular one shot villain, like Iron Man did with the Extremis arc or Captain America did with Winter Soldier, in which case the sky’s the limit cause there’s tons of those.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#141731: Apr 24th 2022 at 6:30:10 PM

Tetu, Zenzi and The People could work because they're new and obscure enough to make any changes as necessary while keeping to the core of the concept.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141732: Apr 24th 2022 at 6:44:46 PM

T'Challa's death would open up a major succession crisis outside parties would gladly take advantage of for their own nefarious purposes.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141733: Apr 24th 2022 at 8:05:23 PM

Tetu would work best as a succession crisis villain.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141734: Apr 26th 2022 at 6:29:32 PM

Another BP thought that interests me is how Hunter/White Wolf's traits got decompsited with Killmonger & W'kabi.

Killmonger inherits Hunters familial relationship with T'Challa though he's the latter's cousin instead of adoptive brother, wearing an evil counterpart suit to the hero, and battle style as a more spec ops fighter as comics Killmonger is a bit more of mystical threat.

While W'kabi inherits Hunter's trait of being a Wakandan superpatriot.

Interesting to think they think that they fused 2 of T'Challa's most prominent antagonists together.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#141736: Apr 26th 2022 at 7:56:28 PM

Such Inspiring Content™ from Disney.

Edit: Well I'm an ass. I misread it and thought they cut it.

Edited by NoName999 on Apr 26th 2022 at 7:57:40 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141737: Apr 26th 2022 at 8:11:53 PM

I wonder if her moms are still cosmic beings. I hope so, I didn’t like the comic retcon of that.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#141738: Apr 26th 2022 at 8:32:44 PM

I didn't like that retcon either. Her original origin story was so cool and the retcon felt like it brought her down to earth, so to speak, unnecessarily.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141739: Apr 26th 2022 at 8:53:17 PM

Its sad and incredible how Chavez is still suffering from fallout from her first ongoing.

Its been like 5 years since that run.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 26th 2022 at 8:53:50 AM

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#141740: Apr 26th 2022 at 10:35:06 PM

Unfortunately, her actress Xochitl Gomez is being bombarded with hateful comments on Instagram, in light of the news. Conversely, Gomez had responded to the positive support that has spawned.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#141741: Apr 27th 2022 at 4:21:30 AM

I'll note as well that America has a prominent LGBT pin on her jacket, an element that I'm pretty sure came from one of her runs though I can't seem to find the original source atm. Not a lot, certainly not enough for LGBT fans, but it is still a persistent part of her design.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141742: Apr 27th 2022 at 5:05:55 AM

Man, Young Avengers is really going to cause a stir with Wiccan and Hulkling.

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#141743: Apr 27th 2022 at 5:26:12 AM

If they make it into the movie, that is.

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#141744: Apr 27th 2022 at 5:58:47 AM

And if they adapt that part into a movie.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#141745: Apr 27th 2022 at 6:46:08 AM

It's a lot more muted and harder to see than the one in The Mitchells vs. the Machines, which was quite obviously a gay pride pin, on top of the main character's interactions with her girlfriend not being explicit about their relationship by name or having them kiss, but very obvious in context.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141746: Apr 27th 2022 at 9:06:13 AM

Whoops!

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 27th 2022 at 12:40:47 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141747: Apr 27th 2022 at 9:51:55 AM

Confirmed! America Chavez’s backstory in the MCU isn’t pulling from the retcon! She’s still from the Utopian Plane! grin

Also it possibly confirms what I suspected for a while: America is being pursued for her ability to cross the Multiverse at will. So Mac is literally the MacGuffin. [lol]

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141748: Apr 27th 2022 at 11:16:01 AM

[up][up] Um...I think you're on the wrong thread. But I do agree with your thoughts.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Apr 27th 2022 at 11:19:20 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#141749: Apr 27th 2022 at 12:03:54 PM

[up][up] Wasn't there some criticism that America technically wasn't Latina due to her original backstory?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141750: Apr 27th 2022 at 12:34:46 PM

There was, but I don’t think that’s incompatible with it. Nobody says that Superman isn’t American because he’s an alien born on Krypton (well, aside from Luthor I guess), because he grew in Kansas and became part of its culture. If Marvel were to just focus more on Mac Chavez’s adoptive family in Earth-616 and have her embody one specific Latine culture like Nuyorican rather than trying to make her represent dozens of nationalities all at once, her cosmic background would fit just fine. The recent retcon in the comics overcorrected by making her just an enhanced human and the Utopian Plane not real, which made her backstory far less compelling and creative.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 27th 2022 at 12:35:21 PM


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