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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#141701: Apr 22nd 2022 at 6:02:40 AM

It would definitely make more sense for Sam to fight the Serpent...people (whichever group we get) as Captain America rather than the Falcon. Since apparently, falcons don't like to eat snakes very much.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#141702: Apr 22nd 2022 at 7:25:42 AM

Maybe he’ll costume change into Secretary Bird Man

Anyway, I think the Sons of the Serpent predate the Society

Since they’re a Not-KKK that appeared when the Avengers were still in double digits. And the Society apparently appeared in the 80s.

The Sons could sue the Society but I’m pretty sure that after multiple attempted takeovers of the US, ties to foreign powers, racially motivated assaults that they proudly took credit for, etc etc that the Sons don’t have much legal standing in the courts. Or I’d hope anyway.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#141703: Apr 22nd 2022 at 8:22:57 AM

I'd like to see either or both of the serpent groups in a Captain American movie.

I kind of feel though like the MCU wouldn't do the Politically Incorrect Villain one though because I have the sense that politically conservative villains are sort of off the table as an option.

Something I've suggested previously is a humorous plot where the two Serpent groups fight with both the heroes and each other, and the Serpent Society doesn't like being confused for the racist Sons of the Serpent.

Also, I had forgotten her until recently, but it would be cool to include Diamondback (the female one) and have a Dating Catwoman plotline for Sam or Bucky (probably Bucky, assuming that the MCU decided to adept Sam's romance with Jane Foster). Yes, I know this would likely be accused of "straightwashing".

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#141704: Apr 22nd 2022 at 8:30:12 AM

The Serpent Society should take The Sons of the Serpent to court.

Imagine yourself being a hardworking snake-themed villain, only to have the name of your union used by a bunch of fucking racist. I would be mad.

Unfortunately, I think the Sons of the Serpent would win that case by arguing they came first.

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#141705: Apr 22nd 2022 at 8:32:08 AM

Snakes eating their own tail and all

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#141706: Apr 22nd 2022 at 9:44:43 AM

It all depends on which snake group has the more potent venom, I think...

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#141707: Apr 22nd 2022 at 10:45:28 AM

Unfortunately, I think the Sons of the Serpent would win that case by arguing they came first.

Plus American courts tend to favor white supremacists anyway. Yeah, the Serpent Society is probably better off going for a gang war instead.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#141708: Apr 22nd 2022 at 11:06:19 AM

[up] Honest question, do they have a chance at winning one of those?

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#141709: Apr 22nd 2022 at 11:13:35 AM

The Serpent Society seems to be themed after the New Right, while the Sons of the Serpent are classic Old Right.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#141710: Apr 22nd 2022 at 11:29:07 AM

As far as I remember, the Sons of the Serpent are about as well equipped as your average comic book villain group. Secret bases and high tech devices and vehicles.

Since their average member is a racist in a silly costume, anyone with superpowers or your street level amount of martial arts training tends to rip through their ranks like a knife through racist butter.

But for the purposes of tension, the Sons also tend to be able to capture and hold captive superheroes they face, until they break loose and thwart the evil scheme de jour

I can’t say how that would stack up against the Serpent Society overall but in a straight up fight, the Society is going to mop the floor with the Sons and maybe clean the counters too

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#141711: Apr 22nd 2022 at 1:04:35 PM

I like the idea of having the Sons and Society be the same organization in the MCU. Have the Sons be an old, Revolutionary-era group, and the Society is a modern offshoot made of supervillains.

Or do that, but switch the names. "Serpent Society" sounds like an older organization while "Sons of the Serpent" sounds like an edgy modern offshoot.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 22nd 2022 at 1:06:17 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#141712: Apr 23rd 2022 at 7:01:11 PM

Saudi Arabia bans Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness, supposedly because of it having LGBTQ content.

I'm not going to hope for much but this makes me wonder how far they'll go in depicting America Chavez as a lesbian, or if they only did it preemptively because they were aware America is a lesbian in the comics.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141713: Apr 23rd 2022 at 7:05:08 PM

Maybe they mention her backstory of having two moms? Being from a dimension of all queer women made by a gay wizard?

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#141714: Apr 23rd 2022 at 7:05:20 PM

I probably shouldn't get my hopes up too high, but I recall Eternals was banned in Saudi Arabia, and it had a full-on male-male kiss.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#141715: Apr 23rd 2022 at 7:21:29 PM

I have yet to see Eternals, but even my LGBTQ friends who saw it and enjoyed it were appreciative but ultimately lukewarm on the representation. So I guess it was visible but not especially prominent?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141716: Apr 23rd 2022 at 7:24:55 PM

Well Phastos is a pretty secondary/tertiary character.

He only really majorly enters the movie around the halfway point as the second to last Eternal to rejoin the team right before Makkari in the final act.

Chavez though does appear to be a fairly major character compared to Phastos at least.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 23rd 2022 at 7:26:26 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141717: Apr 23rd 2022 at 8:38:29 PM

Phastos is odd that given that he only really shows up (bar flashbacks) in the last third of the film, but he has such an important role in the final battle (building the machine to save the world) that makes no good sense why the Eternals went to retrieve him second to last on their globetrotting travel.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 23rd 2022 at 8:39:50 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141718: Apr 23rd 2022 at 10:27:20 PM

I still have to wonder how Zeus and the Greek pantheon exists in the MUC when Thena and Phastos are based on two very prevalent Olympians in Greek mythology.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#141719: Apr 23rd 2022 at 10:30:30 PM

To quote another Disney movie: "Maybe this is a different Hercules. Hercules is a very common name nowadays."

Edited by RavenWilder on Apr 23rd 2022 at 10:30:46 AM

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#141721: Apr 23rd 2022 at 10:35:34 PM

Marvel has had to deal with the fact that both the Eternals and the Greek Pantheon (and a lot of others) exist in the same world for years, even if the former's obscurity made it easy to ignore. If they want to use Herc, it might be the elephant in the room.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#141722: Apr 23rd 2022 at 10:36:45 PM

The Asgardians were the sufficiently advanced alien type of gods.

Maybe the Greek pantheon is going to be the type actually created from faith. The Eternals and mostly Sprite made up all these legends, people of Greece believed in A Thena and so on, Olympians sprang into existence and started doing their thing, retire gracefully to wherever the movie has them when people stopped believing.

[up] The retcons to explain how Hercules can be real and how Forgotten Gilgamesh inspired the legends of Hercules are pretty hilarious.

Apparently, while Hercules was working on mucking out the super stables for his trials, Gilgamesh coincidentally redirected a river through the area and everyone just assumed Hercules did it. While the man himself stood there dripping wet and confused.

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 23rd 2022 at 1:38:20 PM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#141723: Apr 24th 2022 at 1:14:00 AM

I do like the idea of creatures of faith co existing with the beings who inspired their myths.

To answer why they recruit Phatos second to last when he's the most important member of the the effort; Druig is the only one who knew his current wearabouts as after Phatos turned his back on humanity during world war 2 he started his exile in Druig's village.

And the team also knew that Druig was going to be the hardest person to convince, so they elected to be a united force (to the best of their ability) when visiting him.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#141724: Apr 24th 2022 at 9:48:40 AM

As for Makkari, she was easily the hardest to find since she was basically a hermit.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141725: Apr 24th 2022 at 2:29:59 PM

Thinking of Black Panther 2.

Do we have any idea who the villains could be?

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