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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Angel is losing control of his Archangel personality. They proceed to tell no one about this, with only Wolverine, Deadpool Fantomex, and Psylocke aware. Instead having Psylocke keep him in check with mental therapy. But when Archangel fully takes control of Angel and they find out he's becoming the next Apocalypse they still don't tell anyone about it.
Worse they instead break Dark Beast out of prison to help cure Angel. Dark Beast promptly manipulates and betrays them first chance he gets, freeing Archangel where he then takes over Apocalypse's forces.
The result of their secrecy leads to Archangel nuking a town with Genocide where they plan to use a life seed to drain the planet with the rest of the X-Men and the superhero community none the wiser. At that point Pyslocke is captured, while Wolverine is in a coma leaving only Deadpool, Fantomex, and Deathlok operating who at this point can't even tell anyone whats going on despite Fantomex wanting too because by Deadpool's admission no one would believe them.
Edited by slimcoder on Apr 21st 2022 at 9:40:15 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Jesus, X-Force
Cue that ultimate spider man meme about mutants here
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIts why I want the black ops movie to get really heavy.
Sure Uncanny X-Force ultimately had a happy ending but the crew had to go through a lot of suffering, misery, and death to get there. Thats the book where Sabretooth pretends to be a father figure to Daken, all to manipulate an ultimate confrontation with Logan ending in the latter drowning the former in a shallow puddle. All just to make Logan feel like crap, not caring that it ended in the death of his men.
I wanna full edgy stuff, like Walker and Yelena getting horribly traumatized in their missions to save the world.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I mean, my impression of John Walker was that he was a deeply insecure man with a lot of trauma that he couldn't or wouldn't recognize who wasn't coping well with the responsibilities of the mantle, and then the serum magnified all of his problems and shattered a mind that was already in pretty rough shape to begin with. I don't think he's a bad person at heart, just someone who was nowhere near stable enough to receive the position he did.
That's also kind of how I feel Daken should be portrayed here - a dude who has seen some shit and has had a wealth of adverse life experiences that definitely explain why he is the way he is, but is also such an unrelenting piece of shit who always manages to find a new way to fuck up his life and make yet another enemy that it makes it excruciatingly hard to feel any real sympathy for him.
You're completely correct. These facts don't change that he kinda sucks as a person, but him wanting to do good is a part of his character. Hell, he felt shame over whatever he did to get those medals when he was talking with Lemar.
Walker is gonna be a bit of a Wild Card I think, because while the formula will make all the worst parts of him even worse, whatever good in him that wanted to actually help people also got a boost.
He's going to very much be an Hero with an F in Good, even if only barely.
One Strip! One Strip!I think what happens to Walker will largely depend on how Marvel receives the response to the character. They have in the past backslid characterization over fan response (the most self-evident being Loki walking backwards from his Start of Darkness to basically being a quirky anti-hero) so it's nothing impossible for Walker to be slightly pitch-shifted based on response. Either towards more straightforward heroics or towards villainy.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I could see him either trying (with questionable success) to atone for what he did and becoming a genuine, if not deeply flawed and not particularly likable hero, or failing to take any real responsibility or recognize where he went wrong and turning into a self-righteous scumbag doing morally bankrupt black ops jobs who is deluded enough to think that his only problem is that he made one mistake and now no one will ever let him live it down.
Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 21st 2022 at 2:02:30 AM
I agree that the good route to take is that he's a fundamentally decent person but he's too flawed which makes him easily controlled and prone to making errors.
So it can be either he goes through a trauma congaline and comes out the other side a better person.
Or his story is a tragedy as constant death and misery beats him down until there's nothing left.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
That's kinda how I hope they approach Jessica Jones if they do more than just cameos - the end of Season 3 suggests that she's at least somewhat interested in a fresh start, and after three seasons of her being a toxic, irascible, self-destructive asshole who treats everyone in her life like shit and relentlessly alienates anyone who is even somewhat close to her, Jess needs some kind of growth. I see a lot of her in John, just not as extreme.
Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 21st 2022 at 4:17:14 AM
On another note I just saw this panel of the Serpent Society and shit they should probably the main villains for Cap 4
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/u16coi/make_america_marvelous_again_sam_wilson_captain/
I've always felt it's kind of a shame the Serpent Society never got adapted, but I guess Cap's movies were all so HYDRA-centric (except Cap 3, which was had a very specific and arguably smaller scale threat), that there wasn't a lot of room for Cap villains who weren't specifically folded into what they wanted to get out of HYDRA. Same with Iron Man villains who won't be simplified down to "evil Tony."
Now that Steve is dead and HYDRA is more of a background thing (not that I wouldn't want them to finally make good on that Zola cameo they wrote out of Ant-Man), maybe we can finally get some of Cap's enemies that are out of HYDRA's specific wheelhouse.
Serpent Society would be perfect, mostly because over their long history they've been basically everything you could do with a villain group (a gang of crooks, mercenaries, a revenge squad, a coalition of like minded villains, corporate entity, etc) so the sky's the limit for an adaptation to pick what they want.
The downside is that there haven't been any snake-themed villains already (unless you count Cottonmouth and Diamondback), so there's less of that hilarious comic-book so-ridiculous-it's-kind-of-cool weirdness of "behold! All the snake themed bad guys are in cahoots."
Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 21st 2022 at 7:36:49 AM
Love it. It's a fun idea that would definitely work with Sam and Bucky's deal in F&WS, where they were kind of the same thing but for heroism: freelance good guys who came in whenever the governments of the world needed to drop heroes into a situation.
Hell, the Serpent Society as a mercenary group working for the Maggia would make a great set of villains, and they could even fold Sharon Carter's Power Broker thing into her being a Maggia boss.
I suspect they're going to go Thunderbolts for Cap 4, though.

Sounds perfect.
The key with these stories is that its reliant on the protagonists being flawed like too stubborn or self-righteous to realize they are making things worse. For instance in Uncanny X-Force, Logan and Angel's desire to keep X-Force a covert operation hidden from everyone means that the moment they lose control of the situation, things go horribly shit-faced because no one is aware of the shit they are dealing with.
Edited by slimcoder on Apr 21st 2022 at 8:36:40 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."