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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#141651: Apr 19th 2022 at 6:53:41 PM

I still remember when Deadpool 2 seemed like it was going to have its own version of X-force, but almost all the members died in the first minutes of being created.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#141652: Apr 19th 2022 at 6:59:26 PM

MCU Wolverine has to give us the classic costume first I feel. Like absolute bare minimum deal with that immediately sorta deal.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141653: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:00:28 PM

A Captain Britain or Excalibur movie or series would also be a good way to lead into that, and could introduce Psylocke to the MCU and establish Black Knight.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141654: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:01:04 PM

Not X-Men black-ops, but while everyone thinks it's set up for the Masters / Thunderbolts, I'm starting to suspect the Contessa plotline is building up to a black-ops Secret Warriors team.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141655: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:09:04 PM

[up] The big question is, what would they do?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141656: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:12:39 PM

Kill a bunch of people and call it saving the world. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141658: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:17:19 PM

Mercenary work doing shady extralegal shit for whatever government or private entity is willing to pay the asking price is my guess.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141659: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:22:00 PM

[up] That could be a neat way of setting up Doctor Doom or some other Latverian noble in a non-Fantastic Four adaptation. Like, maybe he hires Val for some reason, and she deploys John Walker to do something on behalf of Latveria, while giving him the impression that it's for a covert black ops operation that's in America's best interest. Could be interesting...

Edited by MatthewWayne on Apr 19th 2022 at 7:22:56 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141660: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:34:20 PM

I'm just wondering who else would be on it other than John. Definitely not Yelena; after Hawkeye, she knows better. My guesses:

  • Ava Starr: Lost, probably looking for a purpose if she's been cured.
  • Trish Walker: She's facing a life sentence, what does she have to lose by accepting an offer in exchange for her freedom?
  • Bullseye: Fisk cost him basically everything and he has nothing to go back to.
  • Daken: Would be a little premature to introduce him, but he tends to be on teams like this and it's Daken, so it's not like he's lacking in opportunities to fuck up spectacularly and need a bailout.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141661: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:48:03 PM

[up] Who says John needs a partner on this particular mission? Yelena certainly didn't mind going after Clint by herself. Give him a small squad of regular soldiers, and I think he's all set.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141662: Apr 19th 2022 at 8:03:04 PM

I wouldn't count Yelena out.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141663: Apr 19th 2022 at 8:52:22 PM

Would expect the film to be pretty dark and brutal.

Like somewhat cynical with a heavy bittersweet ending.

Really capture what it's like to be a black-ops series.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141664: Apr 19th 2022 at 9:07:06 PM

There was a bit from the recent Heroes Reborn thats a bit goofy but might work for a darker black ops centered team.

Heroes Reborn Squadron Savage Punisher. It seems like this is a better timeline for Frank. His family is alive and he's retired to spend more time with them. Elektra keeps coming to have him pull off One Last Job but other than that, his life seems great. Then it turns out his family is dead and he's just being brainwashed to think they're alive to keep him pacified when they don't need him shooting things. All the happy scenes of him and his family, he's just hanging out with mannequins.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141665: Apr 19th 2022 at 10:29:05 PM

[up] The big question is, what would they do?

If they do end up the Secret Warriors, they could do the Secret War storyline where Fury (through Contessa) is covertly infiltrating/investigating Doom and Latveria.

There's a lot of fun characters they haven't adapted yet that would be interesting for antagonists to a "covert team" storyline, though. We could get an actual adaptation of the Maggia with Count Nefaria and a modern Madame Masque. Or a spy thing with Moses Magnum adapted with more of the Bond Villain stuff he has in the comics. Or they could do something with an already established area, like a civil war in Sokovia or something that they interfere in - one of those criticisms of America meddling in other countries, superhero comics love that one.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#141666: Apr 20th 2022 at 1:39:35 PM

What the fuck

I'm guessing some sort of afterlife shenanigans

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141667: Apr 20th 2022 at 5:59:19 PM

I'm just wondering who else would be on it other than John. Definitely not Yelena; after Hawkeye, she knows better

We don't really know anything about Yelena's current relationship with Contessa. While there was a bit of Red Herring there, Contessa turned out to not be involved with the events of Hawkeye at all - the person who sent Yelena to kill Hawkeye there turned out to be someone else.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 20th 2022 at 5:59:31 AM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#141668: Apr 21st 2022 at 5:16:07 AM

I know several people (including me) theorized that the Contessa was just a Fixer not the actual contractor for Hawkeye's hit. She just used Yelena's connection to Nat to make sure she had an assassin willing to follow through with a hit on an Avenger.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#141669: Apr 21st 2022 at 6:04:04 AM

Do you guys think the Contessa works for Kingpin?

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Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
_(o)_
#141670: Apr 21st 2022 at 6:31:28 AM

[up]I don't thing she works FOR him, I think she simply works WITH him.

The Final Name
ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#141671: Apr 21st 2022 at 6:49:26 AM

Yup, she's a fixer...she has a book of clients and a book of 'independent' contractors and works as a go-between for a cut of the payment.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141672: Apr 21st 2022 at 6:51:55 AM

I'm curious how bad things will go for Walker.

Cause in the comics his original stories does involve him getting brainwashed and being forced into a new identity under the absolute control of his handlers.

Can't imagine what Contessa has planned for him will be good.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#141673: Apr 21st 2022 at 7:08:32 AM

She'll 'tailor' the jobs to him in a similar way she tailored the hit on Hawkeye to Yelena (avenging Nat), she'll dress up the job into something that appeals to him and his mindset, and while Hawkeye was on the ball enough to find a way to get through to Yelena...with a helping of the ACTUAL client getting pinched and Yelena willing to listen, it remains to be seen if Walker has the same smarts

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#141674: Apr 21st 2022 at 7:39:10 AM

There's been a lot of discussion about how FATWS botches Walker's arc, namely at the very end where it goes from episode 5 really showing his Start of Darkness to episode 6 quickly giving him an "act of true heroism" moment and ending with him "redeemed" as the US Agent. The overall feeling particularly was it felt like an entire chunk of that arc was straight-up missing.

If Marvel was smart IMO they'd lean into that, paint him as someone who thinks he's redeemed himself but is still the same trigger-happy jackass from before, he's just being kept relatively stable by Elaine the shady super-spy blowing smoke up his ass and giving him a "purpose" to fight for. Basically keeping with the "thinks he's Captain America but is really Homelander" memes but with a bit more of an actual conscience. While still being a total asshole because he is.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#141675: Apr 21st 2022 at 8:33:04 AM

So basically a dude who's trying and (badly) failing to be better because he doesn't realize the problem in the first place.

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