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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141601: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:59:14 PM

[up] That...is genius.

And would be some pretty funny Self-Deprecation on the Mouse's part to boot.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#141602: Apr 18th 2022 at 1:01:05 PM

The thing to remember is that the greek pantheon differed from city state to city state because gods had areas where they were worshipped more strongly or differently

For example, Sparta liked Ares. They also had Aphrodite as a war goddess.

Athens like Athena a lot, obviously.

The Iliad and Odyssey were oral tradition where the specific tellings could vary teller by teller. But there is an iconic version and it’s the one that was written down. And Athens was a lot likelier to write their shit down than Sparta

A lot of the hilarious Ares asshole butt monkey portrayal could have been regional dunking on Sparta. But still hilarious

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 18th 2022 at 4:06:17 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141603: Apr 18th 2022 at 1:01:57 PM

I actually fully expect either this movie or the upcoming Percy Jackson show to make that Company Cross Reference.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141604: Apr 18th 2022 at 1:08:08 PM

[up] As a former Percy Jackson follower, I will be incredibly happy if this happens.

I still would like some other gods to play the role of a Big Bad in a movie. Like, I know that everyone thinks Poseidon was a Nice Guy (in part because of Percy Jackson), but the truth is that he was just as much of a jackass, if not worse than Zeus, who would stir up hurricanes and earthquakes if he was in a foul mood. And I'm pretty sure he tried to kill Odysseus in The Odyssey for a very petty reason. It would be cool if they expanded on that kind of role.

Aphrodite was also known for being an emotional goddess who held a lot of grudges, so seeing her as an antagonist would be fun too.

As for Dionysus...well, I just think it would be funny if he became the bad guy because he was so wasted that he keeps doing Lethally Stupid things without realizing it.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Apr 18th 2022 at 1:10:20 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141605: Apr 18th 2022 at 1:14:04 PM

Sparta liked Ares. They also had Aphrodite as a war goddess. Athens like Athena a lot, obviously.

The Iliad and Odyssey were oral tradition where the specific tellings could vary teller by teller. But there is an iconic version and it’s the one that was written down. And Athens was a lot likelier to write their shit down than Sparta.

So by revering a god of war for war’s sake, Sparta neglected their literary practices and thus were ill-suited to passing down their word portraying their god of war as nuanced.

How ironic.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 18th 2022 at 1:14:26 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#141606: Apr 18th 2022 at 1:18:52 PM

You call it,poetic justice

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#141607: Apr 18th 2022 at 1:20:16 PM

I still would like some other gods to play the role of a Big Bad in a movie. Like, I know that everyone thinks Poseidon was a Nice Guy (in part because of Percy Jackson), but the truth is that he was just as much of a jackass, if not worse than Zeus, who would stir up hurricanes and earthquakes if he was in a foul mood. And I'm pretty sure he tried to kill Odysseus in The Odyssey for a very petty reason. It would be cool if they expanded on that kind of role.

I think they were pretty much all jerks in one form or another.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#141608: Apr 18th 2022 at 1:21:59 PM

And I'm pretty sure he tried to kill Odysseus in The Odyssey for a very petty reason.

He caused a storm to delay Odysseus's voyage home because Odysseus blinded Polyphemus the cyclops, who was a descendant of Poseidon. And he found out about Odysseus being the one to blind Polyphemus because Odysseus, in typical hubris, gave his name away.

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#141609: Apr 18th 2022 at 1:24:31 PM

Hades undefeated in terms of modern Greek pantheon depictions thus far I think. Hot, diverse, colorful, all passive-aggressive sniping beneath the veneer of grandiosity, benevolence and power.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#141610: Apr 18th 2022 at 1:28:16 PM

The difference between Zeus and Poseidon in Greek Mythology is that with Zeus it wasn't always rape.

I find Dionysus cool because he's almost like a twisted version of Jesus, including being born as human and then sort of resurrected as a god. And his whole "thing" was that as a metaphor for how alcohol affects people, he could vary between being a lovable Chivalrous Pervert (i.e. the story of Ariadne) or engaging in horrible Disproportionate Retribution against someone who slighted him (i.e. the story of Pentheus).

Or like there's the version of him in Aristophanes' play Frogs, who is a rather effeminate (possibly Camp Gay) Lovable Coward intellectual. To be semi on-topic, this version of him (particularly when he interacts with Hercules) has the same kind of dynamic as Loki does in the MCU compared to the other Asgardians.

Edited by Hodor2 on Apr 18th 2022 at 1:29:41 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#141611: Apr 18th 2022 at 2:12:34 PM

Hades the game is indeed my go-to depiction for these people, I agree.

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"To watch it all burn."
#141612: Apr 18th 2022 at 3:02:03 PM

Imagine if an angel or Jesus himself appears.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#141613: Apr 18th 2022 at 3:05:55 PM

Xmen have a character literally called Angel so..,also God has appeared in the comics as well as 'The One Above all'

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#141614: Apr 18th 2022 at 3:30:28 PM

[up] The One Above All is also Jack Kirby.

That is not a joke.

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"To watch it all burn."
#141615: Apr 18th 2022 at 3:39:31 PM

Also, what's interesting is the fact that Gorr uses the Necrosword in the comics, but that powerset was already used for Hela, who was admitted to be a Composite Character. I wonder how they're going to explain that. Also, for irony points, the Necrosword was made by Knull, the Symbiotes' God.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141616: Apr 18th 2022 at 3:46:38 PM

Interesting bit there is that how Gorr and Hela use their necroswords diverge wildly.

Hela just uses them to make spikes and swords.

Gorr though wields full on shadow on powers with a multitude of uses from constructing any type of weapon he desires to creating his own minions in the Black Berserkers that can function independent of him.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141617: Apr 18th 2022 at 3:52:52 PM

Knull is probably being set up as some sort of Marvel/Sony crossover event, which I can't imagine turning out well based off of Sony's track record.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141618: Apr 18th 2022 at 4:14:42 PM

[up] Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. They're real vultures when it comes to trying to make blatant and nonsensical cash grabs, at least in my opinion.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141619: Apr 18th 2022 at 6:20:38 PM

The MCU is more brazen about superhero names, but they're still pragmatic about it. They use the names where they make sense to be used, and scrub them when they don't. So when she's powered up, Jane Foster's name will almost certainly be "Jane Foster"

She's wearing a mask though, not sure she'd be using her civilian name.

I say bring in Hades as a genuinely benevolent God of the Underworld

Though marvel has him go by Pluto.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 18th 2022 at 9:22:37 AM

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#141620: Apr 18th 2022 at 6:33:34 PM

I thought it was just a helmet. I'm not sure it's an attempt to hide her identity.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#141621: Apr 18th 2022 at 6:34:30 PM

I know Avengers Assemble just had Jane go by Thunderstrike as her code-name. So, that could be an option.

Yes, there's another hero by that name. And yes, not a lot of people care about Avengers Assemble. I'm just bringing up how another adaptation handled it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141622: Apr 18th 2022 at 6:44:11 PM

Yeah I feel like Thunderstrike is the preferable choice here.

Shit its what Masterson started referring to himself by after he became independent from Thor.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141623: Apr 18th 2022 at 6:47:23 PM

As a sad bonus, most people don't care about Eric Masterson anymore

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141624: Apr 18th 2022 at 6:50:47 PM

A tragic irony in that the original Thunderstrike comics sold well...... too well. They were selling so much better than the main Thor run that Marvel canceled Thunderstrike to boost sales for the main Thor book which obviously failed.

Poor Masterson.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141625: Apr 18th 2022 at 6:58:50 PM

Though like it has been pointed out before, the toys refer to her as Mighty Thor. So it doesn't seem like she's going by Thunderstrike.


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