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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#141576: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:05:38 AM

Same, Thor is the name, not an Alias.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#141577: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:11:10 AM

I suspect it's logistically impossible for the Ejyptian pantheon to turn up as Moonknight would have been in predevlopment at the same time so locking in what those gods are like would be difficult.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Guardians be the comparatively competent and out together party in a cross over for a change.

good-morning Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles from Brazil Since: Nov, 2021
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#141578: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:14:34 AM

I hope that it Sif does appear she doesn't become just an off-screen Gorr's victim to establish how powerful the villain is. I mean, Thor lost so much that at this point, I think Sif would be his last close friend from before he came to Earth. The same to Zeus to a degree, it might be a bias due to how I always liked Greek mythology, but it'd be a shame to introduce a character with so much potential and kill him off in one movie, especially right after the series introduced the Egyptian gods.

Edited by good-morning on Apr 18th 2022 at 1:17:20 PM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141579: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:16:10 AM

[up][up]Plus it seems like the Egyptian pantheon here is way more hands-off and doesn't like to directly involve themselves with mortals the way that the Asgardians and Olympians do.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#141580: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:22:32 AM

[up][up] I have to think anything they do with Greek Mythology will need to be done with an eye towards "We may want to do Hercules movies/series, so don't do anything that'd hamstring that too much."

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#141581: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:23:16 AM

I wonder if they'll give Jane another title.

She can't exactly steal Thor's name.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141582: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:31:34 AM

[up][up]Also if they ever introduce Amatsu-Mikaboshi/Oblivion and do Chaos War.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 18th 2022 at 9:32:21 AM

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#141583: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:41:04 AM

Well, if we're throwing around titles here: https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/dplduyjxuaabanv.png

Avengers Assemble offered to adapt Jane Foster as Thunderstrike, the alias of the other Thor named Donald Blake Eric Masterson.

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Edited by XMenMutant22 on Apr 18th 2022 at 12:44:43 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#141584: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:42:22 AM

Thunderstrike was Eric Masterson.

I totally want to see Thor call himself Sigurd Jarlson.cool

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#141585: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:44:31 AM

Oh, I don't think they'll have any trouble coming up with something to call her. She'll go by "Jane".

The MCU aren't embarrassed to say the superhero names the way other superhero films are, but they still sneak around here and there. Like Tony's suit being "the Iron Man weapon" while everyone just addresses Tony Stark by name. "The Mandarin" being a racist nickname that some American gave to his fake Wenwu. Villains like Iron Monger, Crossbones, or Vulture given sly references instead of being named outright. Etc. etc.

The MCU is more brazen about superhero names, but they're still pragmatic about it. They use the names where they make sense to be used, and scrub them when they don't. So when she's powered up, Jane Foster's name will almost certainly be "Jane Foster". Perhaps with a continuity gag somewhere in the film where someone calls her Thor 2.0.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 18th 2022 at 9:46:24 AM

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#141586: Apr 18th 2022 at 9:46:30 AM

I'm guessing there will be no official passing of the name, but given the tone of the film they might do so jokingly.

But like on paper Jane Foster will still be Jane Foster, she'll just now be "Jane Foster, Doctor of Astrophysics and Goddess of Thunder".

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#141587: Apr 18th 2022 at 10:24:09 AM

Apparently the merchandising will call her "Mighty Thor".

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#141588: Apr 18th 2022 at 11:03:52 AM

They can honestly mention that Gorr destroyed a pantheon, and even gods come out of said pantheon in future projects, it's not like they haven't had little retcons before.

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#141589: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:03:53 PM

They're gods, just give them a little resurrection mechanism as a treat.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#141590: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:04:49 PM

Hilarious considering Odin in Thor 1 said "We aren't God's just advanced aliens"

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#141591: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:06:32 PM

And as it turns out, people want the crazy shit that comes with a story about gods.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#141592: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:17:19 PM

I'd be very curious if they decide to bring in Ares into this. I know he's been an Avenger in the comics, but it'd be interesting to see if they'll bring him into the films. Especially given DC had a very different take on the character in Wonder Woman (2017).

Ah, public domain shenanigans evil grin.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Apr 18th 2022 at 3:17:30 PM

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#141593: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:31:38 PM

I am more interested in how Thena and Ikaris fit in assuming they thought that far ahead.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#141594: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:34:39 PM

Y'know what? Screw Ares. Him and Hades being the bad guys is incredibly overrated.

If there's a Greek God bad guy Thor should face, I'd vote for either Poseidon, Aphrodite, or Dionysus. Or all three at once.

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#141595: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:36:03 PM

Marvel!Ares is an anti-hero in recent years. Hera's the go-to Olympian villain, followed by Pluto.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Apr 18th 2022 at 3:42:09 PM

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#141596: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:45:00 PM

[up] Okay, I'm actually down for Hera as a villain. Kinda sick of the Everyone Hates Hades trope though, especially given that he's actually one of the better gods out there.

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#141597: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:45:43 PM

Eh, I'm fine with Ares being a bad guy. Hades gets dunked on a lot because Christians hear "God of Underworld" and immediately think of Satan. And, to be fair, basically every Greek deity has their shitty moments, Hades included.

But Ares genuinely is basically a Complete Monster. Being the villain who gets dunked on by the end of the story is pretty much his whole job in actual Greek myths. He's the #1 go-to Olympian Villain, to the point that even in his core domain (war), he has the rare distinction of a direct rival: Athena, the goddess of better war.

Ares is a complete fucking clownshow of a god whose whole job is to be a violent, brutal monster that spurs on carnage for funsies. Even the other gods are repulsed by his monstrous cruelty. In The Iliad, Zeus outright tells Ares that he's a fucking dick and nobody likes him.

"Do not sit beside me and whine, you double-faced liar. To me you are the most hateful of all gods who hold Olympus. Forever quarrelling is dear to your heart, wars and battles. ... And yet I will not long endure to see you in pain, since you are my child, and it was to me that your mother bore you. But were you born of some other god and proved so ruinous long since you would have been dropped beneath the gods of the bright sky."

Ares sucks, nobody likes him, and using him as a villain is the most true-to-text thing you can possibly do with a Greek adaptation. The Norse pantheon has Loki as its perpetual troublemaker and the Greeks have Ares.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 18th 2022 at 12:48:43 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#141598: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:48:50 PM

He's also not much of a badass either though bring more of a wimp in myths.

Which is always averted because adaptations like the use if a strong war God.

But yeah an anti-hero Ares could work especially as a way to differentiate from Wonder Woman's antagonist Ares.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141599: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:52:37 PM

The Olympians as a giant dysfunctional family where everyone hates each other and everyone is fucking everyone else should be the MCU characterization, and Zeus being a tyrannical hypersexual douche and Ares being an idiotic fight-crazed, ultraviolent scumbag would be a). accurate to mythological and comics lore and b). great for comedy if done right.

DC Ares is also way too competent as a schemer to be accurate, and nowadays Marvel Ares is too much of an antihero. I just want Ares to be a bloodthirsty dingdong who starts a fight with Thor or Jane that he shouldn't have started and gets his ass beat.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 18th 2022 at 12:54:58 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#141600: Apr 18th 2022 at 12:57:26 PM

I say bring in Hades as a genuinely benevolent God of the Underworld, and reveal that Disney's animated Hercules film (which will explicitly exist in the MCU) was an intentional hit piece orchestrated by one of the other Greek gods to screw with him.


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