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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#141501: Apr 16th 2022 at 3:06:04 PM

As evidenced by the fact that Kamala doesn't seem to have any inhuman heritage in her trailer, although that could be Never Trust a Trailer.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141502: Apr 16th 2022 at 3:10:14 PM

At most Iron Fist's unpopularity in the first season is why they have currently depowered Danny and have brought a new Iron Fist in the comics.

Though it's mostly to promote the far lesser known Sword Master by giving him a legacy boost.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#141503: Apr 16th 2022 at 3:10:57 PM

I'd be happy if Kamala is the only inhuman in existence

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141504: Apr 16th 2022 at 3:18:52 PM

If the Illuminati are a thing, Black Bolt may be around as well.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#141505: Apr 16th 2022 at 3:21:29 PM

There is also Moon Girl, although she spent a good while deliberately avoiding Terrigenesis.

And Sword Master really feels weird as Iron Fist. All he got was an attitude problem and the fact that he hasn't proven himself to be worthy of the Iron Fist is pretty glaring. Hell, he still had lots of ways to go with his own magic sword. So that's two legacies he has little to no idea what to do with.

Edited by Blueace on Apr 16th 2022 at 6:22:24 AM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141506: Apr 16th 2022 at 3:51:36 PM

Also, with Shang-Chi around, that could potentially tie back into the Hand - the dragon bones could be retconned as being from Makluans, and with Fin Fang Foom looking for the Rings, the Hand could gain some newfound hope and plan to try and call another Makluan to Earth to kill and harvest. I think the question of "why didn't Wenwu do anything about the Hand" can also be answered easily: they avoided each other. The Hand knew better than to piss him off because they knew how dangerous he was, and Wenwu didn't want to open that can of worms because he knew that the Hand could easily cripple his operations beyond repair.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141507: Apr 16th 2022 at 3:54:35 PM

[up][up] It is pretty evidently a ratings stunt to boost a struggling character.

From what little I heard before the Sword Master comics aren't particularly popular so this is most likely an attempt to raise his profile.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#141508: Apr 16th 2022 at 4:04:04 PM

He didn't really have many comics and none current that I know.

He had the Sword Master comics, which were just reprints/translations of his original web material. Those issues had backup stories by Greg Pak where Sword Master teamed up with Shang Chi. I say teamed up but despite Sword Master being comically inept in that hapless anime protagonist in over his head way, his backup stories also had him aggressively resistant to the idea that he could possibly need help or guidance.

And his original series, as said, was comically inept haplass anime protagonist who had to be begrudgingly babysat by more competent anime girl. Most of the time he accomplished anything its because his magic self-aware sword went and did it on its own while he screamed.

You can build up from that point but the pace of his original material was very slow. And the backup stories kind of had him in a holding pattern as an incompetent asshole, I assume because the original material went so slow and there was no way to say how it was going to character develop him.

He also showed up in the Agents of Atlas book but that was a big team, which doubled in size once the original Agents of Atlas showed up, so Sword Master didn't get a lot of focus on him.

I'm not surprised he's not popular. I'm even more not surprised that a pretty major retool and association with a more proven character preceded him getting more material.

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 16th 2022 at 7:04:26 AM

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#141509: Apr 16th 2022 at 4:08:05 PM

The comics still aren't really using the Inhumans, I think

Except for Lockjaw. Even people that dislike the Inhumans like Lockjaw.

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#141510: Apr 16th 2022 at 4:13:28 PM

Lockjaw is a good boy

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141511: Apr 16th 2022 at 4:28:14 PM

[up][up][up] Holy cow, no wonder he's not popular.

Yeeesh they should have made his girlfriend Iron Fist instead of him.

I hear good stuff about Aero though and she has a pretty cool power, being an Airbender.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#141512: Apr 16th 2022 at 4:29:31 PM

Pei was right there, if they wanted a new Iron Fist.

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#141513: Apr 16th 2022 at 4:31:48 PM

I kind of thought that was her deal too

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#141514: Apr 16th 2022 at 4:51:07 PM

Y'know the funny part is anytime I've run into the "are the Netflix series MCU canon" debate the general impression from the "yes obviously" camp is to just have Colleen Wing be Iron Fist and have Danny Put on a Bus (preferably one crashed in hell).

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I'm Sad Frogerson.
#141515: Apr 16th 2022 at 5:21:40 PM

"I have to go now. K'un-L'un needs me."

Note: Iron Fist died on the way back to K'un-L'un.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#141516: Apr 16th 2022 at 5:24:29 PM

Killing Danny off when he admitted he wasn’t good at the job, willingly gave it to Colleen, and went off on a quest to find his own separate source of power (which got him Ki infused six shooters) comes off as bitter.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141517: Apr 16th 2022 at 5:25:10 PM

The funny thing for as much as people say Danny doesn't deserve the power and position, it's not his to just give regardless.

Colleen didn't defeat the dragon so she isn't worthy of the Iron Fist.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 16th 2022 at 5:25:48 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#141518: Apr 16th 2022 at 5:28:23 PM

As much as I like Iron Fist's second season, I'm not entirely sure I buy their argument that Danny is (at that point in the story) unworthy of the Fist or that Colleen is explicitly more deserving when they're both just protecting their neighborhood with pretty comparable senses of justice and discipline.

It almost feels like they were just giving in to out-of-universe complaints without offering up much of an in-universe reason, especially since the same season also put in a ton of legwork on making Danny himself more likeable and a better protagonist anyway, so it doesn't really feel like it's supposed to be a Take That, Scrappy!.

I do like where the characters wound up at the end of the season (and hate that we didn't get a third), but it does feel like a step was skipped somwhere in there.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Apr 16th 2022 at 8:37:35 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#141519: Apr 16th 2022 at 6:20:00 PM

In the topic of Inhumans, I do feel like the royal family is bound to pop up back again. Black Bolt and Lockjaw are fairly iconic characters of the larger marvel universe (most marvel fans cherish the moments Black Bolt speaks and wreaks cosmic havoc), so I think at least those two are going to pop up eventually as supporting characters somewhere, they'll just make them as distant as possible from the show.

Edited by Gaon on Apr 16th 2022 at 6:20:09 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#141520: Apr 16th 2022 at 6:25:16 PM

Unpopular opinion: I think Lockjaw is ugly as hell. Never been a friend of English Bulldogs, which is probably a contributing factor to that.

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Edited by Forenperser on Apr 16th 2022 at 3:26:13 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141521: Apr 16th 2022 at 6:38:40 PM

[up][up][up] It's definitely a take that scrappy moment.

It was clearly written as a response to the reception of IF season 1 where the poor writing made Danny into an unlikable jackass.

So they overhauled the character and since Defenders made him being a hated asshole an explicit thing in-universe with him being treated like a loser by everyone there.

Like I doubt the original plan was to depower Danny. It's most likely another sign of them saving face after Colleen grew more popular than they expected.

[up][up] I wouldn't mind an adaptation of War of King's where BB fights Omega level Mutant Vulcan and literally tears a massive hole in the fabric of reality during their battle.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 16th 2022 at 6:39:35 AM

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#141522: Apr 16th 2022 at 7:01:29 PM

Would Inhumans be a movie in the MCU like Ike wanted if he was still in charge?

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#141523: Apr 16th 2022 at 7:13:12 PM

As much as I like Iron Fist's second season, I'm not entirely sure I buy their argument that Danny is (at that point in the story) unworthy of the Fist or that Colleen is explicitly more deserving when they're both just protecting their neighborhood with pretty comparable senses of justice and discipline.

It almost feels like they were just giving in to out-of-universe complaints without offering up much of an in-universe reason, especially since the same season also put in a ton of legwork on making Danny himself more likeable and a better protagonist anyway, so it doesn't really feel like it's supposed to be a Take That, Scrappy!.

Also, Colleen strikes me as the last person who should be given the Iron Fist for some reason.

And also, the Duel of the Iron Fists would've been more impressive if it was Danny vs. Davos, not Danny's girlfriend vs. Davos.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141524: Apr 16th 2022 at 7:21:43 PM

Yeah, Black Bolt is just too major a part of Cosmic Marvel to leave out, especially now that more serious heavy hitters are manifesting.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#141525: Apr 16th 2022 at 7:43:24 PM

So they overhauled the character and since Defenders made him being a hated asshole an explicit thing in-universe with him being treated like a loser by everyone there.

Okay, that's blatantly untrue and makes me question if you even watched the shows.

Nobody openly hates him or treats him like an asshole or loser during his guest appearance in Luke Cage's second season, and the only people who hate him in season 2 of his own show are the antagonists, and even that's debatable since Joy's clearly conflicted over what she's done, Davos still seemed to want Danny on his side, and Walker... is Walker.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Apr 16th 2022 at 10:45:19 AM

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