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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#141476: Apr 15th 2022 at 5:20:27 PM

I gotta give Killian props on one thing; he somehow played his web of lies well enough to turn what was a purely defensive cover-up conspiracy into him almost taking control of the US government.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#141477: Apr 15th 2022 at 5:21:53 PM

In a way, he was almost the one-man equivalent of HYDRA, except on a smaller scale and more brutal.

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#141478: Apr 15th 2022 at 6:52:00 PM

Huh. So she's like the Token Heroic Orc to A.I.M? The Chris Redfield to A.I.M.'s New Umbrella? That's interesting.

Well Sunspot was the leader of the heroic faction of A.I.M., but yes became it's leader after him and renamed it R.E.S.C.U.E.

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#141479: Apr 15th 2022 at 6:56:00 PM

What does that stand for?

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#141480: Apr 16th 2022 at 7:33:52 AM

It stands for "Really Wanted Our Name To Spell Out 'RESCUE'."

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#141481: Apr 16th 2022 at 7:48:01 AM

Man they are obsessed with acronyms.

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DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#141482: Apr 16th 2022 at 7:48:03 AM

Marvel sure loves it's acronyms.tongue

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#141483: Apr 16th 2022 at 7:56:18 AM

I’m still mad at Victoria Hand for dying before she could reveal what HAMMER stood for

It’s just selfish of her

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#141484: Apr 16th 2022 at 8:25:15 AM

[up][up] If there's anything I've learned from Codename: Kids Next Door it's that acronyms are always fun. tongue

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#141485: Apr 16th 2022 at 11:36:27 AM

[up] Oh yes. That show really went all-in with the importance of acronyms.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141486: Apr 16th 2022 at 12:01:55 PM

Thinking back on the return of the Netflix-verse to canon, who should be the arc villain of the upcoming seasons? Here's what I'm hoping:

  • Daredevil: Owl Jr./Leland's son (already confirmed to have been planned)
  • Jessica Jones: Jester (Daredevil villain, but a sociopathic troll who loves to smear people and destroy their lives would work really well in this day and age, and Jess would work if she was hired by someone desperate to clear their name and figure out just who was trying to destroy their life)
  • Luke Cage: I dunno. Maybe Coldfire, but a). he's extremely obscure and b). you think we would have heard if Luke had another sibling by now.
  • Punisher: Bushwacker, who would do well as the logical conclusion of what Frank could have become had he become ruled by his fanaticism and personal dogma, and an insane cyborg wouldn't be too out there for the tone of his show.
  • The Defenders: Barracuda/Fisk and Kirigi/The Hand; the idea is that both Fisk and the Hand are desperate to reestablish themselves and are willing to take extreme measures to do so, and hiring a ludicrously dangerous mercenary who he knows is probably going to turn on him (Fisk) and awakening an ancient demonic warrior who they can barely control (the Hand) would be the consequences of this. Basically a villain war that turns into even more of a clusterfuck when their biggest weapons get way out of hand, with the Defenders stuck in the middle (though Echo could logically join forces with them).

I'd be fine with Iron Fist not getting another season unless they can make it not be complete ass. If Elektra gets her own show, Bullseye would be the easiest pick.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 16th 2022 at 7:25:14 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#141487: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:06:08 PM

Iron Fist season 2 was already not complete ass, so it's earned a third season by your metric.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#141488: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:16:38 PM

It doesn't matter that Iron Fist Season 2 wasn't ass.

Iron Fist sucking is what people believe to be its natural state.

The backlash was massive and all consuming (or at least it feels that way with how the Internet sometimes acts).

Season 2 being better just wasn't enough. It's clear that even if the other Netflix characters come back, Danny staying gone.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141489: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:17:37 PM

It’s highly unlikely that anything involving the Netflix characters will be a direct continuation of anything from their shows.

I’m expecting Broad Strokes, at best. Most likely we’ll get new content with them played by the same people, but going in new directions and featuring new tones and ideas. Like how Hawkeye used Kingpin.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 16th 2022 at 2:18:41 AM

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#141490: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:17:39 PM

[up][up]Wait, how is it clear that Danny's not coming back? Were there any announcements?

Edited by fredhot16 on Apr 16th 2022 at 2:19:01 AM

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#141491: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:18:04 PM

First impressions matter a lot in media.

Even seven seasons in, a lot of people still think Agents of SHIELD was what it was in the first half of its first season.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#141492: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:19:27 PM

Marvel is gonna have a hell of a time saving the Inhumans then.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141493: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:20:25 PM

The big (albeit only) thing that makes me unsure about Danny is the way that Shang Chi bluntly composited the two characters together.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 16th 2022 at 2:20:41 AM

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#141494: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:22:31 PM

The comics still aren't really using the Inhumans, I think

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#141495: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:24:45 PM

Yeah. The Inhumans have been on a break. It was supposed to last five years and happened some time around the time when the show bombed and Fox finally gave up the rights to the X-Men (and the FF).

But I think it might have already been longer. I can't remember where it was said that they were taking that five year break, or how long it's been since then.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141496: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:34:54 PM

Danny has a chance if they make a Heroes for Hire show at least.

It be the perfect way to go about him and Luke.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#141497: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:43:58 PM

Season 2 being better just wasn't enough. It's clear that even if the other Netflix characters come back, Danny staying gone.

I dunno, I've seen a decent amount of support for it returning. Not as much as Daredevil obviously, but none of the shows can compete with the SaveDaredevil campaign.

It has a loud Hatedom but I don't think they're so massive nor so representative of the average viewer as to make it "clear", unless you have something to back that up.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Apr 16th 2022 at 5:46:06 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#141498: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:46:48 PM

In terms of popularity among the overall fandom, my personal (possibly subjective) impression of the order of the Netflix shows would be:

1. Daredevil (by a wide margin)

2. Jessica Jones

3. The Punisher (possibly interchangeable with JJ?)

4. Luke Cage

5. Iron Fist

Edited by Forenperser on Apr 16th 2022 at 11:47:07 AM

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BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#141499: Apr 16th 2022 at 2:53:03 PM

[up][up][up][up]Well the Inhumans show debuted in September 2017, so if the Inhumans break was in reaction to it bombing then no it hasn't quite been 5 years yet.

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#141500: Apr 16th 2022 at 3:03:27 PM

Marvel was only bothering to push the Inhumans so heavily in the first place because Fox owned the X-Men film rights, so they wanted to make more Inhuman characters they could use instead of mutant characters that Fox could use.

But the Inhumans have always been kinda shit. And now that Marvel has the X-Men rights back, there's no reason to keep trying to make Inhumans happen.

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