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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141276: Apr 7th 2022 at 4:23:21 AM

The was that Freeform show that at least went as far as making a pilot that only got canceled because an executive thought it was "too gay".

So depending on contracts and shit work, maybe revive that with the cast given another chance?

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141277: Apr 7th 2022 at 12:05:21 PM

The original roster (minus Richard Rider) could work as a street-level superpowered neighborhood watch.

Even excluding Nova, some of the remaining members aren't what i would call "Street Level" or neighborhood watch type.

Certainly not Justice, Firestar and Namorita. And while Night Thrasher could work as a Street Level hero, i can't see him as a Neighborhood watch type since he's a rich superhero.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 7th 2022 at 3:06:37 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141278: Apr 7th 2022 at 6:23:40 PM

I'm not sure why they would adapt New Warriors as a street level concept in the first place. The whole point of New Warriors was that they were this band of young, bombastic heroes going on wild adventures: an adaptation of them should involve them going up against something flashy, rather than urban and realistic.

Unless they specifically adapt the concept of "superhero reality show" run, in which case it would kind of work.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 7th 2022 at 6:27:19 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#141279: Apr 7th 2022 at 8:27:40 PM

Superhero reality show is all I know about the New Warriors thanks to Civil War.

Legit, it could be interesting, and the Boys did show the darker side of it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#141280: Apr 7th 2022 at 9:22:36 PM

As I understand it, when they first went on that Superhero Reality Show angle, it was to cover areas that went under the radar of the Avengers and other teams and do some genuine good.

The concept then got taken to the worst possible extreme at the beginning of Civil War.

Oddly enough, there was a Image Comics series called Wild Guard that also did the reality T.V. show with superheroes idea as well. It was a lot more idealistic about it since even the fame seeking characters were still ultimately heroes at heart. It wasn't a reality T.V. show pretending to be a super hero comic. It was both.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#141281: Apr 7th 2022 at 9:24:24 PM

The 2018 run of West Coast Avengers also had a reality show premise, because Kate Bishop needed money to fund the team.

Should’ve built the headquarters in a way less expensive place than Venice Beach. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 7th 2022 at 9:25:06 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#141282: Apr 7th 2022 at 9:48:07 PM

Random thought of the night: it's kind of interesting how Disney was against showing alcohol usage in Iron Man 3 because they didn't want kids to see Tony Stark drinking, even though the previous film had him doing exactly that and suffering the repercussions for that. Furthermore, Marvel has been pretty liberal with showing people drinking alcohol ever since, to the point where it's Played for Laughs with Thor and Pip the Troll (though there are some shades of Played for Drama in the former's case).

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#141283: Apr 7th 2022 at 9:50:13 PM

It was less because Disney wouldn't allow it and more that Robert Downey Jr. didn't want to go back to a headspace he had already worked so hard to move past, IIRC.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#141284: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:00:24 PM

That’s what I heard as well

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#141285: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:01:23 PM

That and a more in-depth battle with alcoholism was a concern to Disney because they were concerned how kids would react.

Still, Tony's character in Iron Man 3 was one of the best MCU stories IMO.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 7th 2022 at 1:02:11 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#141286: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:09:21 PM

The MCU does alcohol and sex semi often strictly narrativley speaking, it just noticeably avoids lingering or dwelling on it in any dramatic fashion which is moreso where that comes in. Demon in a bottle is a fairly in-depth exploration of alcohol addiction so it would be a whole different kettle of fish.

Edited by Gaon on Apr 7th 2022 at 10:09:46 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#141287: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:15:43 PM

Shame we never got the full Demon story.

While it's understandable why we didn't, seeing Tony seriously grapple alcoholism would add a lot to his complexities.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 7th 2022 at 10:15:53 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#141288: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:19:21 PM

I'd kind of be curious with seeing the general idea of Demon in a Bottle explored with Thor in Love and Thunder, but given what that film's going to be about, combined with Taika Waititi's style of filmmaking, I doubt that's going to happen. Maybe it could happen with another hero?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#141289: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:22:40 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, this ain't just Tony chugging a Martini and feeling bad, the Demon in a bottle story dealt with addiction, Tony at his lowest point and denying he has a problem, almost drinking himself to death, facing bankruptcy, finding out his girlfriend was a spy, and even Cap was telling Tony only he could help himself.

It's a very depressing story with the writer putting his own struggles with it on the story.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 7th 2022 at 1:22:56 PM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#141290: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:37:26 PM

I'm not sure where you got that last part, but Demon in a Bottle was not some "real life writes the plot story."

It's a story about alcoholism, there's never been any comment by Layton or Michelinie that it was inspired by their lives at all.

Also, his girlfriend at the time, Bethany Cabe, was not a spy and in fact her support of Tony was key to his recovery.

You might be conflating a later story where Cabe's mind is switched with Madame Masque's.

Edited by ArthurEld on Apr 7th 2022 at 10:41:06 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#141291: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:44:03 PM

I know that Tony has had a couple of periods where he's spiraled into alcoholism and in one of them I think his girlfriend was secretly working for Stane.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#141292: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:44:58 PM

[up] Yeah Moomji is the lady I'm talking about, not Bethany.

[up][up] Might have mixed this up with the Batman venom story, my bad.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 7th 2022 at 1:46:04 PM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#141293: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:45:57 PM

[up][up]That's the one I was talking about.

After Cabe has left Tony, she returns only to get her mind switched by Stane. But she ends up saving Tony's life while her mind is in Masque's body.

It's kind of a Psylocke/Kwannon thing.

Edited by ArthurEld on Apr 7th 2022 at 10:46:21 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#141294: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:46:55 PM

Wasn't she working for Stane during Demon in a Bottle?

Like as part of his plan to ruin Stark and get his company.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#141295: Apr 7th 2022 at 10:52:39 PM

So one of Tony's love interests is Madame Masque and another of Tony's love interests was temporarily Madame Masque?

Jokes aside, I have been meaning to read up on ye olde Iron Man to fill in some reference pools.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#141296: Apr 7th 2022 at 11:03:31 PM

[up][up]No, she's on the up and up there. She brings up to Stark how her ex husband had a drug problem.

Then he turns out to not really be dead, of course, and then more stuff happens. But during Demon in a Bottle, she is basically Supportive Girlfriend TM.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#141297: Apr 7th 2022 at 11:07:30 PM

Maybe I am mixing up stories, but I swear in my copy, there's a bit where Stark gets dumped by a girlfriend in the story who turns out to be working for Stane.

Or maybe all these battles with alcoholism are starting to blue together.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141298: Apr 7th 2022 at 11:08:13 PM

I think you were right with Moomji

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#141299: Apr 7th 2022 at 11:15:14 PM

[up] Yeah girl in the story was named Moomji.

I remembered because the name was distinct.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#141300: Apr 8th 2022 at 4:52:07 AM

I forget Madame Mask was in Hawkeye, but they gave her no mask.

Just Makima.

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