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Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
Yeah I knew about that. I never watched Last Stand (I heard it was terrible), but watching clips I can see why Grammer's Beast is so beloved. It's always a shame when you're following an actor/musician/and anyone else and they end up sucking.
Edit: I too learned after #metoo not to get to emotionally attached to actors, I think I've gotten better about it.
Edited by jjjj2 on Jan 20th 2022 at 11:00:53 AM
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Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
That's...a distressing thing I learned tonight.
Uh. Anyway. I just hope in general from a distance that for the sake of the fans they do more justice to the X-peeps outside of the core few from the Fo X-Men. And, y'know, cast them well.
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Grammar was well known throughout his career as one of the most vocally Republican actors in Hollywood (βthatβs why Kelsey Grammar and I are always up for the same part!β), so itβs disappointing but not surprising to hear he went full Trump red.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 20th 2022 at 8:07:22 AM
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
Well, I would argue that that sort of characterization is hard to make work for a younger character like Beast is in the prequel films, at least on the big screen.
Mind you, I haven't really read the earlier X-Men comics, so I couldn't tell you what Beast was like in the early days (I seem to recall reading that he was more like the Thing, in a way?).
Oh God! Natural light!
Oh men, I like grammer in fraiser(I totally love that show) and yes, is chararter is rare nowdays because genius are there insuffrable or cutsy nerds to gush, is kinda telling how we percive inteligents nowdays.
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Only in the first issue when they were still sorting out personalities. Beast was overly verbose from Issue 2 or 3 onwards.
A lot of early x-men was weird like that. Magneto's powers were much less defined, mutants didn't become hated and feared yet, Scott's optic blasts were solar powered, stuff like that.
Nicholas Hoult always does well in roles that are kinda freaky in terms of personality (The Great (!), Mad Max: Fury Road, Warm Bodies) and they never went that hard with Young Beast.
Edited by Synchronicity on Jan 20th 2022 at 10:46:31 AM
Is it wrong that I want to see a universe where Trump is president and Beast remains Secretary of Mutant Affairs or US Ambassador to the United Nations?
Edited by windleopard on Jan 20th 2022 at 11:37:01 AM
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It's a shame what has happened to Beast in the comics. 
The Head of the Hydra
People gave Cyclops so much grief for being an asshole when Beast is a bigger jackass than he's ever been.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Foreign Troper
Beast was even called an asshole by the freaking Watcher himself. Throughout an entire issue.
That's really an impressive thing to achieve.
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Doctor of Doctorates
90s Animated Beast is still the greatest version. I will absolutely die on that hill. Well read, intellectual scientist who works for the best for humans AND mutants, but can absolutely throw down like, well, a beast.
And doesn't become a villain. So that's cool.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Yeah.
Though he did have that one episode where he absolutely lost it and opened up an entire can on the Friends of Humanity for kidnapping a human girl he had a thing for.
Meanwhile, Logan actually thought things through and came up with a rather clever plan that revealed Graydon Creed as the son of Sabertooth.
There was even a Lampshade Hanging by Jubilee:
"Beast charging in head on, and Logan is coming up with a plan. What is going on?"
That last part is paraphrased.
I miss the Beast who's personality was completely atypical from his appearance, but could still remind you that he's called Beast for a reason.
Now....he's just a prick.
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Surrounded by weirdoes
Beast might not be as his name suggests, but he became something far lower. A monster.
Wake me up at your own risk.
Disasturbator
He became..beastly
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The Man Outside Reality
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
How trustworthy is a youtuder named Grace Randolph when it comes to the MCU? I have heard of her but never saw any of her videos. She or at least people who fallow her has been popping up on my twitter feed with MCU stuff and I don't know how trustworthy any of it is.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 22nd 2022 at 3:04:21 AM
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Judging by her wikipedia page, not very. Now just judging by who she follows on twitter she doesn't seem to be a right-wing asshole, but non-right-wing people can still be clickbait assholes.
Edited by jjjj2 on Jan 22nd 2022 at 4:08:19 AM
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Very untrustworthy. Sheβs got a big reputation around online film circles for spreading unverified and sometimes malicious rumors, and provoking harassment on filmmakers who deny her claims.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Oh. Okay. I will go on ignoring her and said followers then.
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Yeah, I'm getting pretty damn tired of seeing Randolph show up in my Twitter feed. It's been known for a while that she's untrustworthy, yet she continues to gain traction online somehow.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 22nd 2022 at 5:35:57 AM
Trust no one.
I'd block her or mute her. I find that takes care of the problem.
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Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
She sucks. Don't take anything from her seriously.
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There has been reasonable evidence lately at least among the rumor mill that Grace has gotten new contacts that have more legit information, if that means anything. Of course taken with a heap of salt given everything.
That all said, I honestly wouldn't even trust her with the 100% God-honest truth. And that's because she's ultimately an "outrage merchant" (to quote Dan Olson) who can't help but constantly editorialize, sensationalize, and overall stoke meaningless culture-war controversy. Even if she had a straight-up content leak she'd still warp it to fit whatever narratives she's pushing and just trying to distill even that is not worth an ounce of the hassle. There's a reason why even other leakers dance around trying to even acknowledge any credit to her, and it's because fuck that noise.
The moral here is to not get too emotionally invested in things and people beyond your control. I learned that a while ago due to being a Ren and Stimpy fan.
Disgusted, but not surprised