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Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
Chameleon was set-up in Far From Home.
The Head of the Hydra
Huh turns out Hope Pym is based on Hope Van Dyne from the Marvel Comics 2 universe (where Spider-Girl is from).
Did not know that, thought she was an original character.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Very loosely, though, as that Hope Pym is the supervillain Red Queen.
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
I'd be cool with MCU Hope having a brief stint as a supervillain.
The Head of the Hydra
I'm curious how different she could be if Eric O'Grady was the main Ant-Man instead of Scott.
Maybe Hope would have been a villain with him.
Edited by slimcoder on Jan 20th 2022 at 3:51:03 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Foreign Troper
I mean, Eric is pretty much a villain himself 
Funny but not helpful
The Ant Man films would have contained a marked increase in sex crime
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
So there are deleted scenes for Hawkeye. I kinda wish most of them hadn't been cut. 
The Head of the Hydra
Ha oh fuck turns out there is an Ant-Man and Wasp series which starred Eric and Hank Pym as Wasp.
Man imagine if MCU Wasp was instead an older Hank teaming up with Scott to be a super team, that would have been wild.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I'm Sad Frogerson.
I remember that Evangeline Lilly read the Eric O'Grady comics for research when she was first cast... and thought they were total garbage.
The Head of the Hydra
That is hilarious, especially giving her books that contain none of the relevant characters actually involved in the film.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
In Evangeline's defense O'grady was, indeed, a terrible Ant-Man and a run so weak it died before it could get remotely close to what it wanted to do (the pitch was O'grady would start as a complete asshole and progress to a hero, but he was such a intolerable jackass the readership just died).
Edited by Gaon on Jan 20th 2022 at 4:58:16 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
"The Juice is Loose."
So this was added to Marvel Cinematic Universe:
It's in the Related Franchises folder and I don't know. This was just a shout unlike say what happened in No Way Home. Should this really be there?
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
The Camp Crystal Lake Slasher
I think he really was just an unrelated dude.
Jason has come back to kill for Mommy.Absolutely shouldn't be there.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Definitely should not be there. Hopefully we'll get some Shoutouts or even cross universe Continuity Nods in Multiverse of Madness, but even then it should be listed under related continuities. Until then no... Although I could maybe make a case for Deadpool and Korg, but that was a joke video...
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Yeah, it was just a casting gag and wasn't intended to imply any real connection to the X-Men universe.
Though arguably it was intended to imply a false connection, since it gave "Pietro" a tiny amount of credibility so the audience wouldn't immediately see him as an obvious fraud.
The Man Outside Reality
Man, I miss Kelsey Grammer as Beast from the Fox-Men. Nicholas Hoult was alright, but Grammer totally owned the character.
If they bring back any of the old actors, I'd totally love to see him come back for the reboot.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 20th 2022 at 6:49:24 AM
Trust no one.I did like Grammer's performance more than Hoult's. I always found Hoult (granted more the way he was directed than himself) a symptom of a thing I always hate when intellectual characters often get turned either into either a Insufferable Genius rockstar type or a socially awkward cutesy nerd. It's always one of those two (Hoult's Beast being the latter). The archetype Beast fulfills is usually Gentleman and a Scholar The Professor type, a cultured (and often verbose) academic type who is neither a bully flexing his intellect nor a socially awkward dweeb but simply a very intelligent guy who is comfortable in his intelligence and is rather affable and almost fatherly.
Grammer was close to that "gentleman academic" vibe, though I don't really like the make-up used for him in the film as it felt claustrophobic. My favorite Beast designs are the more ape-like ones where his legs are bent and his arms long so he walks hunched like a gorilla trying to walk without using his arms, giving a nice differentiated body language to the character (and the sort of unnatural posture giving a immediate sense this is a animalistic character trying to resist/grapple with that side of himself). Both the 90's series and particularly X-Men Evolution
◊ had cool examples of that.
With all that said, Kelsey Grammer is a Trump supporter and climate change denialist so I'd rather they got literally anybody else to play one of my favorite X-Men rather than him. Benicio del Toro would fit nicely if he hadn't already played The Collector. Maybe Javier Bardem still on the hispanic list or Joel Edgerton.
PS: In recent days (c. House of X and affiliates) Beast has been getting more ruthless and machiavellian as a character (as all smart people in comics eventually do), but even then he's played as a subdued mastermind who keeps his cards close to the chest.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
It's been heavily rumored Patrick Stewart reprises his role as Professor Xavier in Multiverse of Madness in some capacity, so I can see why they'd add that entry, but it's still just a rumor.
In general, both the MCU and DCEU entries on this site have a problem with Tropers adding unconfirmed rumors as though they're facts.
The Head of the Hydra
Wait a minute, does Beast count as a furry?
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Technically speaking that'd be more valid a description for the women who dated him.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Dammit! He's the perfect Beast! There's literally no one better! He's to Beast what Steward is the Xavier!
Dammit! Dammit! Dammit! Why does this keep happening?
One Strip! One Strip!
The Man Outside Reality
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Yeah, now I'm very disillusioned, and I withdraw that hope. Probably for the better, but still.
*sighs*
Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 20th 2022 at 7:58:19 AM
Trust no one.
I'm good for the first two villains to be Uncle Ben's killer then Chameleon.
Jason has come back to kill for Mommy.