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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#127376: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:16:39 PM

So, I'm two episodes into Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and I'm enjoying it so far.

[up][up][up]Yo, you wanna shut up? Saying that the ending of something is terrible is almost as bad as just spoiling what happens in it, and I want to judge for myself whether I like it or not. Particularly since I like Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron, and haven't seen anyone else complaining about it to that extent.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 29th 2021 at 2:59:11 AM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#127377: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:16:47 PM

I enjoyed Wanda Vision a lot more. I think in general WV was much more consistently solid in quality than TFATWS. I also just think WV was able to more successfully tackle the themes it was going for than TFATWS was able to—generally, I think TFATWS tried to tackle way too much and ended being unsuccessful at handling any of what it tried to address.

Edited by DeathsApprentice on Apr 29th 2021 at 5:17:45 AM

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#127378: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:17:47 PM

Calm your horses, saying that the ending of something spoiled things for you personally is not even close to being a spoiler.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#127379: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:28:29 PM

I want to judge for myself whether it's good or not, I don't want to hear "the ending sucks, so you shouldn't even bother", because that's leading me in one direction or another. I don't want to go into the series expecting the ending to be bad, and I also don't want to go into it wanting to like it out of spite.

If anything, it's more annoying to me personally than just spoiling what happens in it because it's forcing me to watch the show differently. At least when I know what's going to happen, I can predict how I'm gonna feel about it. Now, I have to go into it expecting one thing or another and overthinking it for no reason.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 29th 2021 at 2:30:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127380: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:29:02 PM

On further thought the typical JL line-up is more titanic. A team comprised of the characters with the highest power-ceilings like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Flash in the DCU does make them feel like Gods.

Though Avengers themselves has a good power ceiling. The ultimate patriot, the ultimate machinist, a literal God, and a pillar of absolute ultimate strength. Which just leaves Hawkeye and Black Widow to stick out like sore thumbs because neither are the ultimate anything.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 29th 2021 at 2:29:26 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#127381: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:30:24 PM

Well, doesn't really matter what you "want" to hear or not, this thread is for exchanging opinions, if you want your experience completely undiluted by any outside things, it's best to stay off of online fandom discussions.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#127382: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:31:12 PM

I guess I can say I'm the dolt who has Disney Plus and still hasn't watched those shows tongue

I'm planning to watch them with my dad (since we usually watch the MCU stuff together) and we were busy working through The Mandalorian first. I'll get to them in time.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#127383: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:32:08 PM

[up][up]Or just keep talk about the end of something in the thread reserved for that thing. That's what people did with Wandavision, and I was able to watch that show without any problems.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 29th 2021 at 2:32:25 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127384: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:34:25 PM

On further thought Hyperion is interesting because hes among the few Superman expies who doesn't go evil or anything.

He's not Homelander, he's a genuine hero, he's just ultimately misguided about how to save the world.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#127385: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:34:50 PM

Black Widow is sometimes styled the ultimate spy

Being ultimate kind of ruins Hawkeye’s point as a skilled Joe who can keep up with the other Avengers so it’s fine being “just” one of if not the best archer in the world

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#127386: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:39:55 PM

On further thought Hyperion is interesting because hes among the few Superman expies who doesn't go evil or anything.

Yeah, sometimes...

Honestly, given how... mixed the cinematic portrayals of the Justice League have been, it'd probably be for the best not to go in a villain direction with the Squadron Supreme. Otherwise, it comes across as kicking someone while they're down (or just getting up after losing a leg, if you count the Snyder Cut).

Edited by chasemaddigan on Apr 29th 2021 at 5:42:25 AM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#127387: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:40:30 PM

[up][up]That tends to be the issue with Badass Normal characters everywhere. They may be incredibly good in their field, they still suffer the comparison when in the same team as a physical god.

Well, apart from Batman, who went through the exact opposite.

Edited by C105 on Apr 29th 2021 at 11:40:51 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127388: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:42:34 PM

[up][up] Well the original Hyperion at least.

[up] Batman has the thing of having an incredible intellect. He's the tactics and strategy guy which makes him valuable despite being a human.

Neither Widow or Hawkeye are the smart guys, thats Tony's job.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 29th 2021 at 2:43:09 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127389: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:46:48 PM

@PMC: You could have worded that more diplomatically rather than telling me to shut up. That was much ruder than anything I did.

Edited by Gaon on Apr 29th 2021 at 2:47:01 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#127390: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:58:42 PM

DC has their own Avengers

Really?

They don’t use them as much as Marvel does their Not Justice League but they’re there

Makes sense. Explains why I don't really know them.

The Not Thor Wandajin got massive radiation poisoning and turned into a walking tumor. It was bad times.

Dafuq?

One Strip! One Strip!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#127391: Apr 29th 2021 at 3:02:29 PM

[up][up]The way you phrased it was extremely harsh: "annihilated the entire show", "the lowest point of the MCU". Like, damn bro, I'm trying to enjoy this, don't ruin it for me by setting up such extreme low expectations.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#127392: Apr 29th 2021 at 3:03:53 PM

While promoting an original YouTube animated series, Lupita Nyong'o spoke about doing Black Panther II without Boseman:

“People will ask me, ‘Are you excited to go back?’ Excitement isn’t the word. I feel like I’m in a very pensive and meditative state when it comes to Black Panther 2. His passing is still extremely raw for me,” Nyong’o says before her voice starts to crack. “And I can’t even begin to imagine what it will be like to step on set and not have him there.

“But at the same time we have a leader in Ryan, who feels very much like we do, who feels the loss in a very, very real way as well. And his idea, the way which he has reshaped the second movie is so respectful of the loss we’ve all experienced as a cast and as a world. So it feels spiritually and emotionally correct to do this. And hopefully, what I do look forward to, is getting back together and honoring what he started with us and holding his light through it. Because he left us a lot of light that we’re still going to be bathing in. I know that for sure.”

Emphasis is mine. It reads like BP2 could take place during the five year time skip that happened in Endgame, but I honestly don't know.

Extremely late on this, but I can't stop agreeing with Watchtower on their "Recasting T'Challa" reasoning.

I mean, doing this or sticking with not recasting are equally tough paths. Marvel insisted they wouldn't recast, so why can't we just let this go? (But One Above All help me, I kinda still want a recast to happen...)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 3rd 2021 at 8:08:47 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127393: Apr 29th 2021 at 3:10:38 PM

@PMC: That's just my opinion on the show, man. I wasn't rude to you or anyone at any point here. I don't think it justifies you being rude to me back. As pointed out, this is more a thing you have (Hell it surprises me you aren't mad at more people, considering everyone on earth is bombarding social media and this thread with their opinions on the show, yet only mine gets singled out). You can't expect me to be precognitive.

I'm willing to accommodate you and let bygones be bygones, no problem, particularly since I think we have a solid rapport in other threads, but that was rude for no reason. Don't do it again and consider apologizing.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#127394: Apr 29th 2021 at 3:14:10 PM

[up] I'd have to agree on this. It's one thing to have differing opinions, but telling someone to just "shut up" is going too far.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#127395: Apr 29th 2021 at 3:26:08 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] The Champions of Angor in fact.

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 29th 2021 at 6:27:26 AM

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#127396: Apr 29th 2021 at 3:35:54 PM

I don't use Twitter, Facebook, etc. This thread is literally the only place I talk about the Marvel Cinematic Universe and you are literally the only person I've seen talking about the ending of that show, because I have gone out of my way to avoid seeing anyone else talk about it.

Sorry for being rude, but this is the second time you've shit-talked the ending in here, I ignored it the first time you said it.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127397: Apr 29th 2021 at 3:40:17 PM

Very well. Apologies accepted and I'll steer clear of talking about the ending here.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#127398: Apr 29th 2021 at 3:40:36 PM

[up][up] A better way to put everything you've tried to say on the subject thus far is "I'm just starting to get into the show, would it be fine if we didn't talk about it for a while?" - a thing that does come up in this forum quite a bit and for which people tend to be fairly accommodating. We've put moratoriums on posting (or, more often, have temporarily adopted spoiler tags) for stuff that's years old for people just getting into them, let alone for stuff that just ended a week ago.

To be honest, if you were concerned about getting spoiled, your (preferably non-rude) response should have been to the conversation in the first place (given that it was literally a "let's compare these two shows convo") and not the one person who responded to it with a negative opinion.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 29th 2021 at 3:43:18 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#127399: Apr 29th 2021 at 3:41:55 PM

[up][up]Thank you. Or, you could at least use spoiler tags if you want to talk about it.

[up]I assumed there already was a moratorium on talking about spoilers, given how recently it ended.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 29th 2021 at 3:43:36 AM

AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Otaku
#127400: Apr 29th 2021 at 3:43:16 PM

Anyways, I want to change subject. The Masters of Evil are a villainous group that opposes the Avengers. However, despite appearing in various cartoons and a two appearances in video games, they haven't appeared in the MCU yet.

So, how would you introduce the Masters of Evil into the MCU and build up as an antagonist for a future Avengers installment?


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