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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#127351: Apr 28th 2021 at 6:49:12 PM

Focusing heavily on golden-hour shooting isn't easy because you can get 2, maybe 3 shots before you have to pack everything up for tomorrow. I remember scrambling to finish a student film during golden-hour on a pick-up shoot and we barely got everything, we shot the last few shots at night, and student films obviously have a lot few moving parts than an actual film set.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 28th 2021 at 6:49:35 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#127352: Apr 29th 2021 at 12:38:37 AM

So with the appearance of various deconstruction Superhero shows like The Boys, Invincible, and next month's Jupiter's Legacy on Netflix.

I'm curious if they'll ever try anything with Squadron Supreme, the OG superhero deconstruction preceding even Watchmen.

It be a Hell of a TV show and plus with What-If they are already dabbling in the multiverse shenanigan's.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#127353: Apr 29th 2021 at 12:51:42 AM

I wouldnt bet against a Squadron Supreme film in the future. In fact, I think it's quite likely.

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#127354: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:20:09 AM

With the concept of a multiverse apparently being bought in to at least some degree I'd not be surprised at all to see the Squadron appear in some shape or form. Though what shape that will be remains to be seen.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#127355: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:27:47 AM

Like for Nighthawk I'm curious if they'll go with his classic costume or his Supreme Power costume.

And I'm honestly leaning towards the Supreme Power look cause it looks so incredibly badass even if the actual character is an insane insufferable over the top racist black man.

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#127356: Apr 29th 2021 at 5:15:37 AM

I think a movie is too short to tell the Squadron Supreme maxi series story

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#127357: Apr 29th 2021 at 12:16:56 PM

I haven't seen either series yet, what would you say you did enjoy more, WandaVision or Falcon & Winter Soldier?

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#127358: Apr 29th 2021 at 12:27:32 PM

Wandavision. I am biased because it ticks a lot of boxes I like (female lead, emotions and character-driven story, sitcom pastiche) and I don’t actually prefer political thriller action stuff, but TFATWS’s muddled politics kind of soured it for me as well. WV (in the absence of any actual politics) managed to remain thematically coherent even if it ended with a lame airborne laser battle.

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 29th 2021 at 2:27:53 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#127360: Apr 29th 2021 at 12:46:10 PM

Huh straight up the Fraction look.

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#127361: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:16:49 PM

[up][up][up][up]I still prefer FATWS, honestly. It feels more rewatchable and enjoyable than Wandavision. Though, I do still enjoy Wanda Vision

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#127362: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:26:14 PM

It wouldn't surprise me if Heroes Reborn (2021) is partially Marvel wanting to remind people of at least the Squadron Sinister rendition of the Squadron for when they eventually introduce it into the MCU. And I'd personally love it - the DCEU has largely squandered its attempts at adapting Justice League (even account for the Snyder Cut) so I'm fully on board with Marvel doing it themselves, and I'd have a lot more faith in them nailing on both the core ideas inherited from the Justice League as well as the individual ones from the Squadron runs.

I haven't seen either series yet, what would you say you did enjoy more, Wanda Vision or Falcon & Winter Soldier?

I think FAWS has much higher highs, helped out by its deeper subject matter and the way it handles at least the racial politics, but WV is significantly more consistent and less messy. It's really obvious that FAWS got hit harder from COVID and that even with the rescheduling it still suffered a lot more from it.

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#127363: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:32:18 PM

I enjoy the aesthetics and character writing for the heroes in Wanda Vision more, while on the flipside, I enjoy the story and character writing for the villains (Walker mostly) in Falcon more.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#127364: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:36:13 PM

[up][up] It’s interesting how Justice League parodies are so prevalent that Marvel has their own version of the League.

You never see that with the Avengers.

I like the drama, comedy, and character for Wandavision but FATWS also has good action, story, and characters as well.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 29th 2021 at 1:37:16 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#127365: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:37:46 PM

DC has their own Avengers

They don’t use them as much as Marvel does their Not Justice League but they’re there

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#127366: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:40:56 PM

I can actually think both TF&WS and Wandvision have flaws and strengths. I prefer the later due to being more consistent.

I have never got the appeal of the Squadron Surpreme, but that is mostly because I just haven't read the comics. My only exposure to them is the Avengers Assemble cartoon.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#127367: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:42:05 PM

Well of course you can’t understand their appeal from Assemble.

I pity anyone who’s introduced to a character from fucking Assemble.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#127368: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:43:01 PM

Admittedly the Avengers' pop culture presence wasn't nearly as big until the 2012 movie, which was less than a decade ago. For a long time if you were gonna do a superhero (team) parody you'd do it with a Justice League pastiche since they have all the icons like Superman.

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#127369: Apr 29th 2021 at 1:59:47 PM

[up] Unless you were Dexter's Laboratory, which made their superhero parody Avenger pastiches.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Apr 29th 2021 at 4:59:57 AM

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#127370: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:01:06 PM

Didn't DC use a bunch of Avenger pastiches in The Multiversity? How were those?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127371: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:01:42 PM

Well Hulk was a big purple baby in a diaper. tongue

Though a Thor homage was among the main characters of the comic.

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#127372: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:02:04 PM

Well the Hulk pastiche was a big blue baby in a diaper

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Edited by Bocaj on Apr 29th 2021 at 5:02:14 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127373: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:10:25 PM

Wandavision takes the discussion by a mile for me. The surrealist sitcom/drama/psychological horror/superhero cocktail was a lot more innovative and striking to me.

Falcon and the Winter Soldier, before episode 6, was a solid spy thriller engaging with some intriguing social questions but episode 6 single-handedly annihilated the entire show that preceded it. It's the lowest point of the MCU as it stands alongside Iron Man 3, Age of Ultron and the Dark World for me. Wandavision's finale was also not as good as its preceding episodes, but it's not even in the same galaxy of disaster and had some great moments (the goodbye of Wanda and Vision is still beautiful).

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#127374: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:10:58 PM

It helps that the Squadron Supreme have had a lot of material building them up to the point where they stand on their own outside of the parody element. Play them Sinister and it's a solid Evil Justice League, play the Supreme and it's a Justice League flawed in ways that modern DC would most likely flub if they tried.

Oh and it doesn't help that DC's done several hashes of Avengers parodies that have never really stuck and have come off as more mean-spirited than anything. Shit even their own Evil Justice League (the Crime Syndicate) has had more to work with than any Avengers attempts.

Edited by Watchtower on Apr 29th 2021 at 5:11:11 AM

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#127375: Apr 29th 2021 at 2:15:53 PM

I wonder if it’s because the Avengers are already quite flawed so trying to expy them either hits too close to the mark or goes too mean

Maybe making them perfect paragons in the way that theyre not is the way to go but then you have to work harder to contrive a conflict

Whereas marvel can just make the not justice league dicks or misled or brainwashed and call it a plot

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