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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#127326: Apr 27th 2021 at 5:02:57 PM

[up]Great, but does that qualify her to be a show runner? I feel a disconnect here.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#127327: Apr 27th 2021 at 5:03:48 PM

Hell if I know, I'm just laying out the facts.

The legend has returned.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#127328: Apr 27th 2021 at 5:35:01 PM

Hey, everybody's got to start somewhere. As long as Ironheart isn't one long music video, I'll be interested.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#127329: Apr 27th 2021 at 10:17:48 PM

Anyone knows her previous works?

Via the article:

Her past television writing credits include the Apple reboot of “Amazing Stories,” as well as the TNT series adaptation of “Snowpiercer” starring Daveed Diggs.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#127330: Apr 27th 2021 at 11:13:35 PM

On Howard the duck: they'd never do it, but I'd be happy if they just put his name on the door opposite Jennifer Walters' office.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Apr 27th 2021 at 2:14:07 PM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#127331: Apr 28th 2021 at 1:41:41 AM

I quite like the Snowpiercer series but there's very little of it that gives me any idea how an approach to Ironheart would work. They're very different things.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#127332: Apr 28th 2021 at 3:47:46 PM

Eternals-adjacent chatter: Kevin Feige is apparently being roasted for commending Chloe Zhao's dedication to... [checks notes] shooting outside?

In a movie that would be full of visual effects and greenscreen — as all Marvel movies are — Feige says Zhao “was really fighting for practical locations” in accordance with her vision for it. At one point, they cut a sample reel of “Eternals” for Disney higher-ups to watch.

“And I had to keep saying, ‘This is right out of a camera; there’s no VFX work to this at all!’” Feige says. “Because it was a beautiful sunset, with perfect waves and mist coming up from the shore on this giant cliffside — really impressive stuff.” Later, watching “Nomadland,” he saw similar shots. “Oh! That is not just what she wanted to bring to Marvel,” he remembers thinking. “This is a signature style.”


Of course, people were quick to point out that even though Marvel movies rely on a huge amount of visual effects and CGI, that doesn’t mean people can’t still capture jaw-dropping footage just by, you know, going outside and filming, the old-fashioned way. Twitter users and film buffs were fast to jab Feige for forgetting that there are other ways to make movies outside the Marvel machine.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#127333: Apr 28th 2021 at 3:57:52 PM

I've some people defending Feige, stating that his quotes were from him trying to sell the idea of shooting practically to higher executives, who might not see the reason behind it.

Not sure if that's true, but I sincerely hope he knows the advantages of shooting on-location.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#127334: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:05:42 PM

Yeah, in context it sounds like he’s pitching it to other execs, not marveling (haha) at real life film real life location shooting himself.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#127335: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:14:30 PM

That interpretation is less embarrassing for Feige, but more embarrassing/depressing for Disney (something something giant corporation future of media etc etc). Either way it is a roastworthy situation.

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#127336: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:28:25 PM

I don't really get the mockery, it sounds like he is trying to talk her up and commend her efforts to make Eternals her own movie and not just be the face of a corporate product. Coming after an Oscar win it's also some good studio publicity showing they identified her talent before the awards came in.

Given how a lot of $100 million+ blockbusters bank on green screen filming even with a blue sky background, it's not that absurd a statement.

Comics are just words and pictures. You can do anything with words and pictures.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#127337: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:30:39 PM

Plus the pandemic meant that doing shootings from journeying to locations was probably not as easy as it used to be.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#127338: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:32:52 PM

Given how a lot of $100 million+ blockbusters bank on green screen filming even with a blue sky background, it's not that absurd a statement.

The incredulity at his statement is less an attack on Feige and more a comment on this current state of affairs. Because it is absurd that you have to hype up practical locations. (I remember thinking the Ragnarok cliff scene looked really janky.)

[up]Main filming wrapped Feb 2020; they just did reshoots late last year. Marvel's just been quiet on the marketing front.

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 28th 2021 at 6:35:10 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#127339: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:36:31 PM

[up]The theory IIRC was they wanted to milk the Oscars for all they were worth in advertising.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#127340: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:37:20 PM

Who ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#127341: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:47:20 PM

A big part of it is just that the pandemic delayed the whole timetable. Sure they got the footage, but that's only part of the equation when it comes to movie marketing. It's very uncommon for a movie to drop it's trailer until it's around 6 months out from it's announced date. Not unheard of, but we just got a Shang-Chi trailer last week and that comes out 2 months before Eternals.

Now I fully expect the first trailer to proudly proclaim "From Academy Award Winning Director Chloe Zhao", but I don't think they were holding off specifically for the Oscars.

Edited by Falrinn on Apr 28th 2021 at 4:49:19 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#127342: Apr 28th 2021 at 5:51:31 PM

Anthony Mackie's new tweet is gold. Minor spoilers if you didn't watch the end of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight
#127345: Apr 28th 2021 at 6:13:24 PM

He really had enough of his juice boxes [lol]

Prettiest Meta Knight Gijinka, ngl
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#127346: Apr 28th 2021 at 6:31:09 PM

It's like a Thanksgiving Day Parade float. [lol]

The legend has returned.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#127347: Apr 28th 2021 at 6:32:05 PM

With big enough productions, the question does arise whether it's more cost effective to bring all the cast and crew to a specific location to shoot, and potentially lose tons of time (and thus, money) if the weather doesn't agree or if shooting runs long enough that you lose the light ... or just shoot it in the studio and greenscreen the scenery.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#127348: Apr 28th 2021 at 6:38:06 PM

The first live action Avatar Airbender movie blew a huge chunk of its budget on location shooting and then didn’t have a lot left over to make the special effects not look like ass

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#127349: Apr 28th 2021 at 6:40:06 PM

It could just be that the shot was particularly impressive, it being practical was just icing on the cake. As someone who has worked on film sets before, these conditions:

a beautiful sunset, with perfect waves and mist coming up from the shore on this giant cliffside

Aren't exactly easy to get. Cliffsides aren't easy locations to shoot in the first place, lots of rocks, water, and falling hazards. For the waves and mist coming off the waves to be playing perfectly with the sunset requires a bit of luck, and getting a nice sunset shot isn't easy, you've got one hour at best in the day to capture that moment with. Especially if this shot is going to be used in the film and has actual actors doing lines off of each other, that's the kind of shot you have to both plan extensively and pray for.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 28th 2021 at 6:41:20 AM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#127350: Apr 28th 2021 at 6:44:04 PM

IIRC absurd location shooting costs were a big part of what killed Sense8. Whaling on the cost of location shooting I get, but hyping up the very concept of location shooting? I no get

[up]She actually did say she did a lot of golden-hour sunset shooting:

"I shot exactly the way I wanted to shoot," she says. "On location. A lot of magic hour. Three-hundred-sixty degrees on the same camera as I did on Nomadland. Same rigs. It’s a bit surreal. I’m still waiting for the shoe to drop. It hasn’t. I think I got lucky in that Marvel wants to take risks and do something different."


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