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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Couldn't you do both a Thunderbolts/Masters of Evil and a Secret Wars storyline as a two-parter, like Infinity War and Endgame?
The basis of the latter is the Beyonder making a bunch of heroes and villains fight each other, you could have the villain team be the Masters/Thunderbolts (either pure coincidence that he picks a recently-formed villain team, the Beyonder is specifically making said recently-formed team fight the Avengers instead of the more broad heroes vs. villains, or the gathered villains are formed into the Thunderbolts after being captured/helping stop the Beyonder in the second part).
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Apr 25th 2021 at 6:23:48 AM
I would love to see more recurring of villains in the MCU. Makes me laugh that Batroc reappeared in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, but there's no reason for any of the characters in it to recognise him.
I wish more previous villains reappared in Avengers focused films as henchmen to allow villains to feel more traveled. Crossbones worked really well in that role for Civil War
Abomination would have been an easy addition to Avengers Assemble, given that Loki infiltrated Shield and he was in Shield custody. (Heck if Whiplash hadn't been killed he'd also fit in well in that role)
Zola (with his robot body) could have been in the hyrda base at the start of Age of Ultron.
The Obsidian Order could have been partially populated by previous cosmic villains if all of them weren't dead. Though I'd struggle to think who would empathise with Thanos' creed. Maybe Maleketh if he was the last of his kind.
Though there are a lot of wishes I have about Maleketh.
But yeah, if we're doing Thunderbolts/Masters of evil, I'd love for them to be the adversy for Avengers 5/New Avengers. "The Avengers have been defunt since Tony and Steve apparently died, so we're going to be the super team! (Ha ha were supervillains trying to control the super hero community). Plus if the New Avengers is mostly a legacy team it would be a good challenge for the new Avengers to defeat adversaries of their predecessors.
Zemo, Abomination, Justin Hammer (assuming he gets a super suit in Armour Wars, he could make a fine MARCH-1) and Ghost would be obvious inclusions. It would feel weird to have the team without Moonstone, so I'm really hoping she's in Captain Marvel 2.
If I would populate a New Avengers Team I'd have Sam Wilson, War Machine, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man and Scott Lang. I'd like Valkyrie and She-Hulk on the team as well, but it would probably vastly over populate the film.
I'll say this as someone that's been overall fine with the Tony/Peter relationship: if they somehow finagle it into No Way Home I'll call BS on it myself. It made sense in Homecoming as Peter was trying to live up to a living man's reputation and it made sense in Far From Home as he felt pressured by a dead man's legacy. At this point I don't see how you push that relationship any further short of bringing Tony back from the dead, so Peter should really truly be a solo act at this point.
I'll also call BS if they try to force Strange to be that replacement figure, as they clearly don't have anywhere close to a history or relationship.
Its like I don't know Green Lantern getting another movie but it has Kyle Raynor constantly answering to Batman.
I definitely get why people are looking for a pure 100% Spidey-only affair. That corner's always been strong enough to handle it's own thing. I personally think having it interconnected has been fine enough (Spider-Man definitely works better in that department than Batman does) and think said connectedness has been overblown (let's be real, if Vulture and Mysterio are Iron Man villains in spite of everything then so is Wenwu), but I get it.
Also while it winds up underdeveloped I did always take Injustice 2 as trying to give Blue Beetle and Firestorm the same sort of "aspiring protege" role to Batman, especially in the light of Robin's betrayal. It all depends on how the stories and characters are written, y'know?
Considering Zemo's motivations in Falcon and Winter Soldier (that he didn't want super soldiers running around) the idea of him making the Thunderbolts as a way to ensure he's controlling the population of colorfully costumed crusaders and to ensure no one else with powers takes up the public eye or mantle works...surprisingly well.
x2 I mean, in fairness to Wenwu, we haven't seen the movie yet. It could be that he has a grudge against Tony for whatever reason, but I doubt it.
Speaking of Mysterio and Thunderbolts, IMO the former has shades of that original Busiek/Bagley team, where both are supervillains positioning themselves as the successors to the Avengers when they've been disbanded after a major event to get access to their tech.
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Edited by Aleistar on Apr 25th 2021 at 12:15:17 PM
I could see Zemo positioning himself as a fake super hero intelligence source, and purposefully sending superheroes on missions with his loyal minions where the real super heroes will end up having tragic accidents.
Heck have his operatives pose as both their fake superheroe personas and also their true identities to create traps for real heroes.
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I do hope the Mandarin does have some grudge or other connection to Tony, perhaps even having fought him offscreen once. It just feels right, since at the end of the day he is supposed to be Tony's villain. It would be like having the Joker in a movie and never giving him any connection to Batman.
Edited by lbssb on Apr 25th 2021 at 9:22:52 AM
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonI feel like the Mandarin is too big a scope villain to care about Tony.
But a previous confrontation told in a flash back would be nice. Set it during the five year time skip, would work easy enough. Tony finds a lead and tried to go for the guy he inadvertently funded prior to breaking good, and the Mandarin swats him like a fly.
Eh, Fisk is pretty equally a villain for both Spidey and Daredevil.
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They could do a flashback like that even without RDJ, just keep him in the suit and don't have him say anything.
Edited by lbssb on Apr 25th 2021 at 9:34:29 AM
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonI'm contemplating which dead villains I'm annoyed got killed.
Or at least got killed in unambiguous ways. Ultron and Darren Cross died in such fantastical ways I wouldn't be surprised if they turned up again in much the same way Red Skull did.
I know Whiplash was an underserved character, but his design was original and I would be really interested to see what him fighting different avengers would look like. Also his death kind of reflects poorly on may change Tony had to improve on his father's legacy.
Ronan the Accuser might be a bit of a flat character, but he's such a big character in the comics. He is the poster child of the Kree Empire and I want to see him go toe to toe with Carol Danvers. I was kind of hoping Thanos' would use a stone to resurrect him in Infinity War.
Crossbones, I kind of just love how much he hates the Avengers. I kind of wish he was in Struckers base in Age of Ultron just for more content from him.
Killmonger is amazing, but he's in a series with a promenant afterlife aspect, so I expect we'll see him again regardless of how definative his death was.
Well, Ultron definitely died offscreen, so he's probably the easiest to bring back.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.The Wikipedia summaries for Age of Ultron and Ant-Man claim that Ultron and Cross where "seemingly destroy[ed]" and "presumably kill[ed]" respectively, so there's wiggle-room to bring those two back.
And while it seems everyone's upset that Killmonger's dead, I'm more upset that they killed off Klaue. I wanted see Andy Serkis go all "being made of living sound" in the sequel.
I am also among those who are content with Killmonger being dead but who really would have loved to see more of Klaue. Serkis was awesome.
Then again, the MCU now has a functional time machine, with laws of time that allows to pluck anyone from the past without impacting the present (at least in this universe). So in theory any character who has died could come back, if only for a brief stint before returning to their timeline of origin (or not - ask Gamora and Loki)
Edited by C105 on Apr 25th 2021 at 10:42:42 AM
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.

As a Skrull who’s a HYDRA agent who’s suddenly Mysterio but really is a British actor.