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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#127001: Apr 22nd 2021 at 12:35:26 AM

EMH Tony looks like the evil AU version of Tony Stark, driven mad with paranoia and sleep deprivation. He looks like he's about to go on a rant about how the world must be cleansed to protect it from itself.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 22nd 2021 at 12:36:31 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127002: Apr 22nd 2021 at 12:38:10 AM

By contrast the Assemble lines-up to closely to the movies so they look really bland in animation.

I hate how Hawkeye just looks terrible now everywhere he's in.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#127003: Apr 22nd 2021 at 12:52:52 AM

[up]x2: I mean, you're probably right considering The Purple Man managed to bring that out of "Emperor Stark".tongue


Coincidentally, Assemble's lead character Jeff Wamester did work as a storyboard artist on EHM for a couple of episodes. In fact, he's the lead character designer of similarly MCU-inspired Guardians of the Galaxy cartoon, and the director of the upcoming Justice Society animated movie.

The Guardians cartoon's a little interesting in that, beside its obvious visual inspiration to the Gunn interpretations, each episode was titled after a song and featured a licensed jukebox soundtrack.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 3:56:10 PM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#127004: Apr 22nd 2021 at 1:46:50 AM

I loved EMH (down to the credits song) and rank it right along with the Justice League cartoon as my favourite adaptation of a comic book superhero team. I had hoped for a while they would revive it (like what happened with Young Justice) but it seems Marvel does not care that a series was well loved when they can replace it with a bland knock-off.
Though the absolute worst was probably the Hulk and the Agents of SMASH series, which I had started to watch because She-Hulk was in it (boy was I disappointed). If I don't watch reality shows, it's not to have them being emulated in cartoons!

Still, can't believe EMH was already 10 years ago. By the way, I see nothing wrong with how Stark appears there.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127005: Apr 22nd 2021 at 1:49:29 AM

I'm just now reminded Marvel also has those anime movies and tv shows they did.

Like that time DIO voiced Deadpool.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#127006: Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:03:25 AM

Don't get me wrong, I loved EMH as well, a lot. The opening theme song is still super iconic in my mind and it has some amazing battles and stories. It's just the character designs that always rubbed me the wrong way.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127007: Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:07:01 AM

Okay so this is the fight scene between Black Panther and Thor.

Well that was lethargic. Thor just stood around for most of it while BP was animated like he had superspeed. I'm amused that despite being hit with a shit-ton of lightning BP's suit never overloaded compared to how in Immortal Hulk a single fly swap from Hulk completely overloaded the suit and nearly turned him into paste.

Also really T'Challa? All the resources of Wakanda and your contingency for Thor is to attach a rocket to his arm and fly him to another area. If your gonna be Batman don't suck at it.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:08:16 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#127008: Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:16:01 AM

Hey, don't knock it if it works.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#127009: Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:16:23 AM

I guess those parts of Thor's outfit that look like armor and chain mail are actually just a long-sleeve t-shirt.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127010: Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:29:18 AM

Clearly it is considering BP tore it up like any normal shirt.

Also oh fuck I just now noticed they changed the art-style to be more like the Spider-Man cartoon. Its ironic Disney of all companies launches a show with such weak animation and art.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#127011: Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:54:48 AM

I had quickly dropped out of the Ultimate Spiderman cartoon too, but at times I'd like to watch the episode with FitzSimmons.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#127012: Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:58:31 AM

Things improve greatly over time for what it's worth.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#127013: Apr 22nd 2021 at 4:26:28 AM

Aside from the animation and humor that fell flat, my problem with Assemble is that it didn’t feel dynamic like the Avengers do

It felt like it had a comfortable status quo

In the comics one of the first things the Avengers do is change their membership

Hulk quits and two issues later Captain America joins. Fifteen issues in the entire roster changes

People join and quit as time goes on. It’s not like the roster doesn’t stay still for periods of time but there’s that sense of a dynamic roster

The Fantastic Four will be the Fantastic Four, even as they try out some different people sometimes. The X Men are pretty stable too

But the Avengers change

And EMH captured that, the movies do too, and Assemble very didn’t

It so copied the first movie that it didn’t even change to add the people the movies did, except as episodic guests. I don’t think they ever used Scarlet Witch and they dropped Vision in for an episode without explaining him at all. Assemble was so married to being episodic, despite doing arcs, that it largely refused to change

This is less true in later seasons and I never watched panther quest, but even so new additions like Ant Man would just disappear between seasons to get back to the original roster

It just doesn’t feel like the Avengers unless the team changes

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#127014: Apr 22nd 2021 at 4:43:04 AM

[up]I think the reason they never used Wanda was probably because of Ike Perlmutter and his perpetual hate-boner for anything X-Men related, because they were more popular than his precious Inhumans.

Another thing about Assemble was their gall to seriously imply that the movies were canon... mainly as an excuse to never bother explaining anything. We're just supposed to accept that the Avengers know who Ultron is even though he's never shown up before, and that JARVIS disappeared between seasons and Vision has his voice now.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#127015: Apr 22nd 2021 at 4:49:53 AM

That was bizzare. Since assemble ultron is much closer to his comic counterpart then mcu version

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#127016: Apr 22nd 2021 at 6:23:29 AM

[up][up] At least it wasn't as bad as the time they tried to suggest Earth's Mightiest Heroes was canon by using the show's designs during a flashback.

Or the fact the show had crossovers with two different Spider-Man shows that were clearly set in separate continuities.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#127017: Apr 22nd 2021 at 6:41:50 AM

The continuity here was confusing

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#127018: Apr 22nd 2021 at 7:29:03 AM

Assemble's problem was that it was trying to be too much like the movies without the charm, care, or any form of continuity whatsoever.

Like how many times did Banner and Hulk reconcile?

Or the fact that Klaw seemingly dies and then reappears with no explanation?

Or the fact that Ant-Man had a shift in personality?

Or the fact that they decided to age up Falcon by using time shenanigans that didn't affect the other Avengers? Normally, I would go "whatever" but we met Falcon's mother in an earlier episode and she doesn't appear again. So we never see her reaction to her teenage son suddenly being an adult man.

Edited by NoName999 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 7:31:55 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#127019: Apr 22nd 2021 at 8:09:03 AM

Looks like the Shang-Chi trailer got a rather negative reaction in China. Points of criticism include the Western writing, Simu Liu not being what the Chinese audience want to see (while showing love for Tony Leung) and Awkafina just not being liked.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#127020: Apr 22nd 2021 at 8:12:27 AM

Simu is from what I've heard not considered handsome to Chinese audiences like tony who more fits with what they prefer

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#127021: Apr 22nd 2021 at 8:23:51 AM

[up][up]I'm sorry but why should we give a shit about what the Chinese audience thinks about this movie?

I mean, the Shang Chi Movie is written by Asian Americans starring Asian Americans about a character that was created by Westerners. This will be like if Nigerians complaining that Black Panther wasn't created as a Nollywood movie or something.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#127022: Apr 22nd 2021 at 8:23:54 AM

Honestly I expected from the start that it would have medicore at best reception in China. It's more of a Chinese-American film in a sense.

At the end of the day, western take on a Chinese film genre is always going to be a little weird in China, since they have their own thriving movie industry. This isn't a Black Panther situation where the idea of an ultra-high budget film set primarily in Africa and rooted in African culture was a novelty.note .

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Funny but not helpful
#127023: Apr 22nd 2021 at 8:25:51 AM

Marvdisney probably cares if they were expecting it to be a big hit in China. It might not get a sequel if it doesn't make whatever they were projecting.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#127024: Apr 22nd 2021 at 8:30:50 AM

Yeah Disney has issues with pandering to China.

It reached like a peak with mulan which uh well....

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#127025: Apr 22nd 2021 at 8:32:46 AM

Then they're stupid because it's not like Asian American movies do well in Asia. Crazy Rich Asians was also dragged there.


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