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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126976: Apr 21st 2021 at 5:15:45 PM

[up][up] In the sense that it was barely on air I think.

Like with Avengers Assemble, it lasted a decent while but I rarely saw it on the schedule, like it only aired once per week.

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#126977: Apr 21st 2021 at 6:46:37 PM

The big caveat with this Sony/Disney deal is that this looks to be a US-only affair because the US networks, one Disney's core businesses, were a major sticking point in the deal: it was built under a preexisting second-run pay TV agreement FX had with Sony before Disney bought 21CF.

The only differences between that deal and this is that all of Disney's networks (yes, including ABC and Disney Channel) and Disney+/Hulu will have access to Sony content, not just FX.

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#126978: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:04:44 PM

I actually did enjoy Ultimate Spider-Man, though I've only seen the first two seasons. I do legitimately hate Assemble, though, largely because it got the amazing Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon canceled and replaced it with an absolute nothing series. Seriously, that show is so bland and unremarkable it actually kind of hurts. How it lasted for so long is beyond my comprehension.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 21st 2021 at 7:06:04 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#126979: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:07:35 PM

I think what signifies the show being irredeemably uncreative is when they made the Avengers evil for a bit, their idea of an evil Iron Man, Hulk, and Widow is an Iron Man wearing black, Hulk has a mohawk, and Widow has some extra eye shadow.

Like WTF they went through the effort of giving Cap the US Agent uniform but couldn’t even give Tom his Endo-Sym armor or make Hulk dress like a gangster. What a fucking waste.

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#126980: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:09:42 PM

I watched everything up to Panther Quest and I could not tell you the plot of an episode

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126981: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:10:51 PM

[up]x2 Who's Tom? Did they make a new Iron Man just for that cartoon?

EDIT: The only thing I can commend Assemble for is debuting both the Squadron Supreme and Thunderbolts into animation, though not particularly well in either instance iirc

Edited by Aleistar on Apr 21st 2021 at 10:15:07 AM

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#126982: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:11:28 PM

What's especially bad about the comparison is that many have pointed out that EMH is probably the closest thing Marvel has had to a truly DCAU-quality cartoon. But then the Avengers movie came out and Jeff Loeb thought, "Hey, let's just copy that, only remove everything that made the movie actually enjoyable. And while we're at it, hire the most unfitting voice for Tony Stark you can possibly find."

Travis Willingham as Thor was pretty good, though. In fact, I tend to read Thor comics in his voice now, so thanks for that, I guess.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 21st 2021 at 9:52:07 AM

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#126983: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:11:35 PM

That era of Marvel cartoons wasn't the best. Did Marvel's Spider-Man actually end, or...?

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126984: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:13:53 PM

[up] The one where he goes to super science school? Pretty sure that ended recently with a Venom-centric story arc.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126985: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:14:20 PM

[up][up][up][up] Goddamn what a waste of great characters.

I also recall they apparently had Black Panther fight and defeat Thor easily.

[up] Also a mediocre show last time I checked. Had a pretty terrible Miles Morales.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 21st 2021 at 7:15:00 AM

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126986: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:16:17 PM

[up] His dad was Swarm for some reason.

Speaking of, I kinda want Swarm to show up in like an Ant-Man movie. Nazi bees versus a guy that can control insects; what's not to love?

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#126987: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:17:15 PM

Good point

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#126988: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:19:35 PM

[up][up]Too bad Ant-Man 3's using Kang instead, who honestly should've been used as either an Avengers or next overaching villain.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 21st 2021 at 7:19:42 AM

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#126989: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:24:13 PM

[up] I mean, I wouldn't discount the possibility of Kang showing up past there, unlike say Christian Bale as Gorr.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#126990: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:55:46 PM

Kang could be the next Loki. The villain of a solo movie who then has a much greater role in a team-up.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#126991: Apr 21st 2021 at 9:53:23 PM

The only thing I can commend Assemble for is debuting both the Squadron Supreme and Thunderbolts into animation, though not particularly well in either instance iirc

Actually, you can't even credit Assemble for debuting the Squadron Supreme in animation; they were in Super Hero Squad before that.

Nighthawk was even voiced by Adam West!

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#126992: Apr 21st 2021 at 9:58:54 PM

We lost both Spectacular Spider-Man and EMH to inferior substitutes.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#126993: Apr 21st 2021 at 10:00:54 PM

And like, it's been almost ten years for both too. Spectacular was in 2009, and EMH was 2011/2012 wasn't it (it debuted before the movie)?

And a lot of us are still bitter. That's how badly balls were dropped.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126994: Apr 21st 2021 at 10:04:59 PM

Are those Marvel Rising specials any good even?

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#126995: Apr 21st 2021 at 10:12:13 PM

They’re alright. Some of the changes to the characters are a little odd though, like America Chavez being way more cynical and lacking her signature portal powers.

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#126996: Apr 21st 2021 at 11:21:27 PM

Assemble's insistence on trying to bring MCU-tier experience to the small screen was admittedly jarring even compared to the other "Marvel Universe" shows on Disney XD. The early promo laid their beds heavily on this fact:

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#126997: Apr 22nd 2021 at 12:17:33 AM

Okay, while I fully admit that Earth's Mightiest Heroes is better than Assemble in almost every way, I have to admit that Assemble has MUCH better character designs. I always hated Tony's weird face in EMH.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126998: Apr 22nd 2021 at 12:20:50 AM

We're not counting the weird shading Assemble has where everyone looks like they were hit with a Snyder-Filter right?

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#126999: Apr 22nd 2021 at 12:28:12 AM

Okay, the shading is weird, but I do like Assemble's baseline character designs more than EMH. Again, ESPECIALLY Tony Stark, what the hell was wrong with his face in EMH? It's not just me, right? He looks fuckin' weird! What's with his eyes and his eyebrows and his sideburns and his cheekbones and his cheeks and his mouth and his beard? It's like they tried to make a Tony Stark using all of the wrong facial features.

Man looks more like the Mandarin after 3 all-nighters.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 22nd 2021 at 12:29:50 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#127000: Apr 22nd 2021 at 12:31:49 AM

I see nothing wrong with EMH Tony's design.


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