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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#126926: Apr 20th 2021 at 2:05:10 PM

In the original Secret Invasion that was the case, they were a extremist group that were following a prophecy. Not all skrulls were with them and actively fought them, like Super Skrull and Xavin.

Edited by Akirakan on Apr 20th 2021 at 4:05:42 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#126927: Apr 20th 2021 at 2:25:43 PM

I feel like the fact that Talos is a co-lead with Fury is going to help make Secret Invasion more balanced.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#126928: Apr 20th 2021 at 2:43:44 PM

Alternatively, they might just be Kree who have managed to replicate Skrull physiology enough to do it themselves with some clever gene editing.

I think the Kree did pull that off in the comics at one point didn't they?

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126929: Apr 20th 2021 at 2:51:09 PM

[up] Maybe. I was mostly thinking of the throwaway line in Spider-Man:FFA where Fury mentions Kree sleeper cells.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126930: Apr 20th 2021 at 4:56:39 PM

I have a hunch that the MCU now will go full-bore into the abyss of actively magical/fantasy business rather than sci-fi or "cosmic" (which kind of exists in a limbo between sci-fi and fantasy). Wandavision firmly set its titular character in context to sorcery and tomes and whatnot and they're hyping up Multiverse of Madness a lot. If I had to guess Shang-Chi would put another stepping stone in that magical conundrum.

Maybe this phase will be (at least in part) about assembling a team of "magic Avengers". Midnight Sons? They have Strange already plus Blade and Moon Knight on the way and Shang-Chi (while not a traditional member of the team) does fit in the broad "mystical heroes" shtick.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126931: Apr 20th 2021 at 6:14:37 PM

I think it's too early to say what the Myth Arc will be or if there even will be one at all. However, I do think people have picked up on the possibilities of Young Avengers (different members of the team appearing in different installments) to Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers (mostly with certain development from Falcon and Winter Soldier).

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126932: Apr 20th 2021 at 6:15:27 PM

Hm

After all this time in the Thanos/infinity vague arc it feels weird not knowing in what general direction we’re going

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126933: Apr 20th 2021 at 6:18:46 PM

We may or may not be heading for a confrontation crossover with Kang the Conqueror, depending on what his role in Ant-Man 3 is like.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126934: Apr 20th 2021 at 6:45:04 PM

Young Avengers I feel is definitely in the cards by the way they are suspiciously introducing seemingly a bunch of key members at the same time (The Twins, America Chavez, Stature, Kate Bishop) and the inclusion of Kang in Ant-Man 3. But it's a open question how long it'll take for them to be the Young Avengers. So far they're separate individuals in separate properties and I don't know how quickly they'll progress to actually being a team.

Thunderbolts is one they have the roster to do by way of several surviving villains, but it's unlikely they'd anchor the entire thing on them. "A team of Villain Protagonist types" is a lot more out there as an idea than Young Avengers or Midnight Sons.

Midnight Sons is more an inkling than anything, anyhow.

Edited by Gaon on Apr 20th 2021 at 6:46:32 AM

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#126935: Apr 20th 2021 at 7:54:42 PM

I would imagine MCU Secret Invasion will be more grey that just LOLSKRULLSEVIL save us Norman!

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126936: Apr 20th 2021 at 7:56:52 PM

If it wasn't in the cards at first, the sheer support they've gotten over the years for it has made it practically a certainty now.

Like, I could see them initially adapting Cassandra Lang just because she as Scott's daughter is a principal supporting character of his. But once people saw her on screen, people wanted it and wanted it, and by the time

Now they're introducing Speed and Wiccan, and while they could have simply been in the story just to be part of Wanda's tragedy, they made sure to have their voices come to Wanda in the end to ensure they're still part of the MCU. America Chavez is coming up, we just got Eli Bradley really just to be there since he doesn't really do anything onscreen but repeatedly establish he's Isaiah's grandson, etc. They're making a lot of deliberate choices right now that make it clear they're up to something.

That said, I don't know if it's going to be a myth arc in the same sense as the Thanos arc. Granted, the next phase just started, but we don't have like a central direction yet. Marvel's focusing more in individual stories rn.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126937: Apr 20th 2021 at 8:07:55 PM

It’s interesting to see a seemingly high dedication to the Young Avengers in both the MCU and the comics, considering that after Gillen’s run the team kinda vanished. Most of the roster was basically Put on a Bus for half the decade, and the Champions were more prominent, but now Empyre and America’s new run are bringing the YA back into the spotlight.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126938: Apr 20th 2021 at 8:12:29 PM

Marvel doesn't really know how to do a long running youth team like the Titans.

They run with one for a while and then dump it once popularity dips. On the other hand this means that Marvel doesn't have an existing team to use as murder fodder. On the other other hand, they keep doing bad things to New Warriors.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126939: Apr 20th 2021 at 8:26:42 PM

On further thought, most of the YA have been doing pretty well for the most part since the teams dissolution.

Kate Bishop has been doing great due to effectively becoming Clint's partner earning her constant appearances in teams as well as her own ongoing stemming back to being a main character in the acclaimed Fraction Hawkeye series.

Teddy, Billy, and America make regular appearances in teams in such. The former 2 were apart of the New Avengers and are now currently Guardians of the Galaxy both by Ewing, while America was a main fixture of the Ultimates Saga also by Ewing. Billy was also in Strikeforce 2 years ago.

Cassie makes sparser appearances but generally is always there whenever her father gets a comic.

Really the only YA members who have been left by the wayside are Eli, Tommy, & Nate/Jonas.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 20th 2021 at 8:27:54 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126940: Apr 20th 2021 at 9:16:59 PM

Hail Mary Theory for Shang-Chi: Awkwafina's character "Katie" is actually Leiko Wu. She's a spy, sent by Interpol or SWORD or whatever. Her job was to investigate Shang-Chi and see if he could be used as an in to his father, but she found out he's not evil and they really became friends / lovers... without her ever revealing her cover.

Then Wenwu exposes her to drive a wedge between them, we get the Liar Revealed thing, etc and so on.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126941: Apr 21st 2021 at 2:14:22 AM

After all this time in the Thanos/infinity vague arc it feels weird not knowing in what general direction we’re going

Maybe we'll have the next couple of movies with stingers that only announce the next movie, just as we had to wait until Avengers to discover Thanos (and even then there was no onscreen hint he was going to be involved in the Infinity stones arc). I'm actually kinda OK with this.

I do wonder what the stinger for the Black Widow movie will be and if one of the reasons it postponed everything else was that it referenced the future movies (or because these movies involved a character from BW).

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126942: Apr 21st 2021 at 2:23:14 AM

If they're really going with a more mystical approach...really hoping for Shuma-Gorath.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#126943: Apr 21st 2021 at 2:37:33 AM

I want a certain gluttonous giant with a big dumb purple fork tuner for a helmet to show up.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126944: Apr 21st 2021 at 2:38:27 AM

As long as he's not a cloud again.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126945: Apr 21st 2021 at 2:41:29 AM

Both Thor and Punisher have been his Heralds once.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126946: Apr 21st 2021 at 2:44:32 AM

So were the Ultimates in the latter half of Al Ewing’s run, while Galactus was a good guy.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126947: Apr 21st 2021 at 2:52:30 AM

[up][up]Granted, that first one didn't quite work out for big G. TBF, quite a few of Galactus' Heralds have turned on him.

Edited by M84 on Apr 21st 2021 at 5:52:57 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126948: Apr 21st 2021 at 2:56:32 AM

Amusingly him and Frank became close buddies.

Thanos unleashing total omnicide on all of creation was what Galactus needed to become social.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126949: Apr 21st 2021 at 2:59:21 AM

It says something about a guy when the only person he can befriend is a murderous monster with an unimaginable body count to his name.

Edited by M84 on Apr 21st 2021 at 6:00:07 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126950: Apr 21st 2021 at 3:01:15 AM

TBF he was literally the only person left alive in the entire universe.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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